Sun Style Taijiquan Question

Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by Xue Sheng, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:34 AM.

  1. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    I'm a long time Yang guy, who trained Chen for a bit but currently I dabble in Sun Style.

    I have been looking around the web at the Traditional Long form and I have noticed something, they are not all the same. Some have a jump kick and some do not. Now I have noticed it appears that the jump kick folks are all linked to Li Deyin and the non-jump kick folks appear to be linked to Madame Sun. But I have also noticed something else that may explain the difference. Those doing the jump kick are younger and those not doing the jump kick are older.

    I am wondering if, traditionally, coming from Sun Lutang if there is or is not a Jump kick?
  2. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Hmm, do you have SLT's tai chi book? As to what Sun practiced and taught himself, that's as good a source as any I would think, I imagine whatever is in there can stand as his definitive version. I have it somewhere, I can have a look if you don't have a copy just a matter of digging it out of a box.

    Another way to look at it is from the source of his form which was Wu-Hao style tai chi.
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  3. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    Good ideas, thanks, I do have his book as well as his daughters, I should look there.

    And I know his Taiji comes from Wu-Hao, and there is a fast form in my flavor of Yang (from Tung Ying Cheih) that also has some Wu-Hao in it.

  4. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Yep,there is a jump kick in both Hao and Sun.

    Howe'er,it's no secret that Sun forms vary and no surprise that Madame Sun's current version has followed the modern TC trend of "easier".

    Sun? I'll have to write our Tung elders and report this!

    BTW,have you ever seen Tung's Wu performed? I've only seen a few pictures.
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  5. Xue Sheng

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    Well.... I'm only dabbling in no need to bring in Tung elders......hey...wait a minute....then how do YOU know the answer about Sun style.... maybe I better talk to the Tung elders about this :D

    No I have not seen Tung's Wu performance, or at least I don't think I have..... is this one of the fast forms? If it is I do it, if it isn't I have not seen it

    My shifu refers to things like this, Long form, Yang fast form, Tung fast form, shot dao form, etc. I do know the Tung fast form is a combination of Yang and Wu/Hao.
  6. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Mind thy place,nephew.As far as you're concerned I'm an elder.I was the thumb student of a disciple of Ying-ch'ieh hisself.:p

    I know about such things due to my penchant for history and looking at everyone else's stuff I can.My home library hasn't kept up for the last 20 years or so but it still ain't a bad selection.If only I could read my old books that are in Chinese.

    There are two fast forms of Tung creation. No idea what the Yang fast form is,unless it's just what they named one of the two fast forms they created.Never heard that Ying-ch'ieh learned a fast form from Yang,C-f. The Wu form is their "secret" teaching,not everyone gets it.I know Kai-ying only teaches it to those who have been with him for "a long time"-whatever that means,exactly.
  7. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    As am I... My shifu also a student of Tung Ying Chieh and help Tung Hu Ling open a school in Thailand :p

    As the story goes, the first fast form came from discussions between Yang Chengfu and Tung Ying Chieh. They had worked out the majority of the details but not started on the physical form. Then Yang Chengfu died. Tung Ying Chieh went on to develop the foem and referred to it as the Yang Fast form since it came from discussions with his Shifu. The second form came later and is a combination of Yang and Wu/Hao.

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