Women in the FMA

KC, that is absolutely shocking. I think this is the first time I've seen that you've utterly disregarded logic in an argument. But let me not get into that, I'll just say 1) the men's record is 9.79 held by Tim Montgomery, and 2) Donald Quarrie is shorter than Florence Griffith Joiner, and he ran 9.9 secs!! Well there goes that argument...


And my dear Marcie, you seem to be using words like "seem to be" too much, the top mountain climbers "seem to be women", put the facts up and put the crack down.
As for this quote "Take care train hard and remember this famous quote:

Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult."
It's obviously a) overly feminist b) unrealistic, shallow and c) silly
I'll retract my statement when a woman runs the 100m in 4.89 secs.

 

We are going a bit off track

Hi all,
Well now we are comapring runners and climbers, I wish someone would read the original post (Bangs his head against the wall)
My point was this. AS ESKRIMA / KALI / ARNIS IS A WEAPONS BASED ART, SHOULD WOMEN COMPETE ON AN EQUAL BASIS AS ALL WHO REALLY KNOW THEIR WEAPONS KNOW THAT A WEAPON HAS NO REGARDS TO WHAT GENDER YOU ARE, OR HOW STRONG YOU ARE, IT IS ALL A MATTER OF TECHNIQUE AND EXPEARIANCE.
Based on personal expeariance I KNOW that womenif trained correctly can and do compete on an equal level when it comes to "weapons combat", remember I said WEAPONS COMBAT, not running, glof, pool, darts or even that very weird sport syncronised swimming .

So guys, in your infinite weapons combat expeariance what do you think and feel when it comes to the male verses the female, bearing in mind a child can kill you with a knife, lets have some sensible responces like the ones we have already had from the more expearianced male FMAers on this thread.

Phew, sorry, I just had to get that out

Best regards to all


Pat

 

Sorry about that, Pat. But I'm like an addict, when I see a crackpot, I gotta blaze up! ahahhahahahhaah.

Yes, weapons are great equalizers, but there is the reach factor that I mentioned before. More reach = staying out of range and doing some "head bussing". But weapons do reduce bodily advantages, but many of these advantages still remain. I feel that women and men should compete in one league as long as the women are able to handle it (and especially if there's some Dumog in there ). While we're on the topic during stick knife sparring (wooden dagger so we don't eviscerate each other) one of the shorter girls I was sparring with accidentally slid her knife under my armour and supposedly stabbed me in the nuts. I didn't really feel anything so, I guessed the knife glanced off, but she said she felt "my stuff move". Go figure

 

Hi Scarlet,
Nice reply :woo: But what if the woman you are against is better at close range than you are at long, and if she is shorter your reach has to travel just that bit longer to connect which may give her the time to close the gap and woop some serious butt , She may even be better at Dumog

Worth thinking about eh!

 

Alright fella - are you a dad for the second time yet?
I had to take exception to the bad logic on offer, thats all!

**Off topic**

What do you think about this..
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighter.html

 

SM: You're posts and general demeanor seem to be getting more and more antagonistic every day. I suggest you take a chill pill before you step any further over the line.

 

No Prob's RichieRich,
Not a dad again untill January, and guess what we found out that the chances are it's going to be Yep you guessed it :love: A girl
Yet another female in the family that will learn to kick the old O'Malley but :cry:

Hey with all your logic maybe you are a Vulcan and just don't know it yet

 

God forbid, what if she is even better at long range too

 

You'll be like a "bond Villain" in your old age - surrounded by deadly female protectors!

 

Hey, what a good idea, I wonder if the wife will go for triplets next time, all female of course :Angel:

 

*tries to lighten everyone's mood a litte*
Remeber kids - the difference between a pat on the back an a kick up the bottom is... is...





....5 virtibrae!

 

You're starting an army, aren't you Pat?

 

How did you know it was my Birthday a few days ago, has my wife been gossiping again (put's his head in his hands and thinks 43, 43, my god I'm 23 again). :cry:

 

Sorry I missed it -
A belated VERY happy Birthday, Pat!

 

Hey, Lucy, I think they are on to us :woo:

Don't tell them that the Government has asked us to help them clone the new 21st Century British Special Forces :woo: :woo: :woo:

 

Hurry up and re-take America so I can be Govenor!

 

Ohh yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot. This guy I spar with is just a little shorter than I am, and my reach is greater than his. He started using thrusts to dislodge my helmet so it would block my vision so he'd have a much better chance getting in. I've also been told that I back up too much - but why not when you can smack someone from a bit off without giving them the same chance. The idea I have is to not let them get too close. So if said opponent is in at close range, then I back up so it's at long range again. And if said opponent can keep the range short I have to find a new tactic. As for Dumog, I haven't been rolling that much, but I figure being shorter is better if your on the ground. Right??

 

What if, what if, what if, what if.....................

What if I can run faster than you, jump higher than you, fight harder than you, shoot fireballs out my ass and have bolts of lightning coming out my eyes, we could go on all day.

I would like to say that I have been watching this thread from afar trying not to get involved as it will just go on and on with examples and what if's, from sports that have no bearing to putting us ladies back to the kitchen sink and taking away our luxuries such as dishwashers.

But, i will point out that the more experienced FMAer's and old hands seem to be in favour of women sparring men on an equal basis....it would seem they have a form of respect for us, perhaps this is gained from personal experience and having travelled out of the comfort of their own club and armchair meeting new people including experienced female FMAer's.

In my opinion, you will get the women that just trains for fun and never intends to become a stong or aggresive contender, they just want to learn something, whether it is to socialise or learn to defend themselves. But there is also many men with the same approach to training. What's wrong with that?

Within any club though, you are going to learn every members strengths and weaknesses when you see them on a regular basis, thus making it easy to counter and pre-empt strikes and learn which ranges to use on a regular basis. And often people become cockier towards the female members because they secretly want to make them look weaker and to be honest, men do not want women to defeat them at any level of training. So it is easy to say that the women you know are not as strong and fast, with less reactions and reach, because you probably already know what they are going to do, but I bet you can have the same opinion of the men in your class, if you are honest, that is.

Perhaps try going to competitions and other clubs to seek out new blood. Including the females. You may be surprised at your lack of ability when facing a complete stranger for the first time regardless of gender. You cannot even begin to read their weaknesses until you have sparred with them for at least a couple of minutes, in which time you could be surprisingly beaten. It is not the gender behind the weapon, it is the intent of the person behind the weapon that decides whether you win or lose.

Facing new people on a regular basis teaches you to learn faster and adapt to each opponent as an individual. This is the hardest concept to learn in any martial art. I personally feel I am good at this, as I have trained at different clubs and i have sparred with complete strangers and competed at top levels against men and women all over the world for many years and teach all ages genders and mental abilities and I always earn respect because i treat and train them as individuals rather than placing them into categories. I can hold back when I want to and open up when required.

But to state a basic obvious fact, there is alot less women practitioners than there is men, which really means alot of the statistics cannot be validated and obviously if you are finding all of the women in your club are weeker at FMA then they are being trained as women not as individual fighters, as everyone I have taught or trained with have been perfectly capable of giving the most experienced person a hard time....the only downfall anyone ever has is lack of experience, which can be gained with proper instruction no matter who you are or your ability. I taught a man for a while with one arm, one leg, three fingers and four toes (no Joke) and he was perfectly capable after correct training to spar full contact against other members of the class, and gave them a hard time, but he had to adapt alot of techniques and even took on double stick with his single stick techniques. So who had to over come their weaknesses....the man with one arm or the person who had never fought a person with one arm before?

I don't know if any one has noticed though, that the world in general, especially the men are becoming weaker, with this sudden view to delete competative sports (especially in schools) in favour of non-competative sports. And eveyones feelings are having to be considered before you can teach them anything. They are taking the drive, the will to suceed and the risk out of the sports...wasn't that the fun of it in the first place?

or...Is this because women are becoming more of a threat so lets get rid instead of get equal?

Also one last thing Why is it in the rest of the animal world it is the female of the species that does all the hunting and protecting and it is the males that fight amongst themselves to gain the females attention?

Yet we are the only animal on the planet that seems to think that the female of the species is weaker than the male.

And by the way, I'm not just good, I am really good whatever the range :woo:

Lot of love and kisses to my world :love:

Lucy (All hail Lucy)
Bow before me you weaklings.

PS: Dear Governor of America Ritchie Rich, yes you may server under me as my guidance, when I am crowned Queen of America.

 

Well,What can I say,
My good lady does not respond very often, but when she does :Angel:

She tends to put her point across :woo: :woo:

 

Lucy

I wish I'd have said all of that. I'm glad you stepped in because I am in grave danger of:

1/ Getting addicted to these forums
2/ Re writing "Gone with the Wind"
3/ Taking up Golf

Farewell everyone as I will never reply to a thread again.

Well until next time anyway!

Marcie

ps how about a thread called "Should Men be allowed to take part in FMA tournaments"?