Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by nicosp, Jan 10, 2016.
If you do it right most of the movement is after you've hit them.
1. It's good for rolling over a parry, particularly from a parried straight.
2. It completely exposes the ribs.
3. I find it works better as a counter than an opening move, for the reasons stated above.
It's one of those funny strikes that feels like it wouldn't do much, until you start hitting pads with it. There is a knack to getting the body behind though.
It doesn't really matter if you're wearing MMA gloves. If you're doing it bare-handed you want to impact with the knuckles.
Following on from David, I think the reason you see a lot more of these more old fashioned punches in MMA than boxing is the gloves. The webspace padding on modern gloves really dulls this punch, and leaves less gaps in the guard.
By the way, my post above was about this punch, not the one in the OP video.
I presumed nicosp was talking about this kind of thing (I believe it's called the "Russian hook"?):
This is the punch I had in mind. Apparently it can also be called a casting punch.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISgLclfX3c"]How to throw the Fedor Punch AKA Sambo's casting punch - YouTube[/ame]
I teach something very proximate called "gypsy hook" (named after the BKB circuit) - I tend to front hand it though
Pete throws it similarly here
The primary advantage as I teach it is a barrage of rapid fire shots.
Same here. It obviously works for some people, but I don't like the idea of lunging in with the ribs exposed like in the Sambo video above.
For me, it's not a primary tool, more of a sneaky trick for sparring and fun. The biggest plus of it is how you can loop it around following another strike, allowing you to attack the same side twice in succession, which is tricky to block.
PS. I just call it an inverted backfist, because if you take a backfist and turn it upside down, that's what you get.
I throw it with either hand, it's a major part of my toolbox.
Double/triple gypsy hooks I name "the barrage"
In what ways would you use it? Do you lunge in with the rear hand like in the Sambo video?
No, offensively I tend to use it as the second or third punch, often when I'm in contact with them with my other hand.
Otherwise it's for counter punching or for attack by drawing (Erik Paulson shows some really good ABD approches for it).
Do you have a link for that?
Not really, but
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zNNbNLLiI"]STXKICKBOXING Level 4 Sample - YouTube[/ame]
I forgot, there's a whole ABD section on this one [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SdpfJ0ICk"]Erik Paulson's CSW 2005 Camp Volume 1 - YouTube[/ame]
Nothing with the punch we're talking about though?
Where did you see him demonstrating it? Do/did you train with him?
Igor V from pride was a great example of these...
Yeah I've trained with him several times. Erik loves an unorthodox punch in the mix, long hooks, inverted straights, Cuban and Japanese uppercuts. Any wide hook or overhand entry will work for this punch though.
Come on share the love...what are these puppies and what do they look like?
Cuban uppercut is with the thumb side of the fist, Japanese is like an upwards Wing Chun punch.
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