Very informative discussion about what JKD is and isn't

Discussion in 'Jeet Kune Do' started by Cain, Jan 22, 2003.

  1. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Which one is it?
     
  2. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    You gotta have lineage, and really you should at least have a base in Jun fan gung fu to call it JKD.

    No lineage = no jkd
    No junfan = it could well be awesome, but technically it ain't JKD, unless maybe you can distoll the main conceptual base and transmit it through a more functional vehicle, and even then the JKD moniker could be misleading.
     
  3. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Sorry perhaps I should have said technical characteristics.
     
  4. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    Could be..

    I think even bruce lee wouldn't even know what he's created:D just joking..

    I'm just excited to get back training.
     
  5. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Good luck with it. :)
     
  6. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    Er bruce lee:D

    Jun fan gung fu for a start.
     
  7. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    :hat::hat::hat:
     
  8. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    Thanks.
     
  9. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Ok so what makes up that?

    There has to be a collection of concepts and techniques that form the core.
     
  10. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    According to inosanto, jkd has jun fan as the base style.

    So if one wants to learn the bruce lee jkd, then one learns jun fan, and then morphs into jkd.

    In essence people think jkd is mma yes it shares the multi martial art forms, but jkd is not limited by rules as mma or any other martial art form.

    This is why i said i havent actually hit my training partner, a knee to the head ain't good.

    The only contact is light hand contact or pad work etc
     
  11. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    Heavy pulling pushing etc.

    Nothing which causes bruises.
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    How much Jun Fan have you done then? :)

    These days most people go straight for the "JKD" and bypass the "Jun Fan" - this is like copying the answer in a math test. the answer is not what is pertinent...the way you worked it out is

    That is one way, and is the more "traditional" approach....however, Guru Dan himself changed his view later too reflect other systems. The key is less "this and that" and more "efficient and effective" - that is why when you look at MMA you have a very good yardstick for combat effectiveness because it pressure tests every empty hand range; add some weaponry and you have a very functional base

    Therein lies the weakness in training it - you cannot train for no rules, you can simply guess; the presence of rules in a other systems actually makes the training more intense.

    In addition even a casual glance at Bruce's training shows how he trained many of his techniques under a "rules' format. Even if the end goal is "street fighting" the training method need not be

    And there are always rules in a streetfight; they are called "laws"

    true, but with that said MMA fighters and Thai boxers manage it just fine, as do many others. I use crash helmets with my students for the very nasty stuff, but if it legitimately is too nasty we either "pull" the shot or just eliminate it from that particular drill

    Absolutely not - if you aren't sparring hard at various times you aren't training properly. Bruce was NOTORIOUS for sparring hard and advocated it to his students.
     
  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I assume you mean sparring with this....and I refer you to my above answer; if you are not sparring hard at least once a week you are not training properly
     
  14. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    Yes sparring.

    When i was at dave carnells impact, sometimes it was light and sometimes it was as hard as i could hit i flauctuated with the speed and power, and developed the technique.

    Every session was technically a sparring session, the only hits i got were from the pak sao trapping etc bare arms it stung little.

    Basicly this is how we trained

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxpIECFd_2g"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxpIECFd_2g[/ame]
     
  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    That video is drilling, not sparring. Although being pedantic sparring is just an advanced drill of course!

    If you trained with Dave you should have done full contact - perhaps the term is causing confusion - what do you mean it to be?
     
  16. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    No we never did full contact, just like you see in the video.

    Yes drills plenty of them.

    looked on wiki

    in the case of light sparring this is usual to 'touch' contact, e.g. a punch should be 'pulled' as soon as or before contact is made.

    So ''touch contact'' it was but when hitting pads it could be as hard as you want.

    We never made contact which could hurt, unless it was an arm lock or chock then you tap out and the pain is gone, no harm caused.

    I passed the level 1 i think it would be called.

    To be honest i don't think i could have done it if it was full contact, bad enough being hit in fights at school.

    But the way i saw it, as first

    1. Best not to get hit in the first place, because any potentional hit can cause damage, as you know

    2. If anyones going to get hurt it would not be me, as i'd be doing the hurting.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2015
  17. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    Found this jkd guide

    http://www.combatstudies.com/learn-jeet-kune-do-art-and-philosophy-of-bruce-lee/jeet-kune-do-vs-other-martial-arts/

    Jeet Kune Do vs Other Martial Arts

    Most traditional Martial Arts have many disadvantages in comparison with Jeet Kune Do. Let us compare the two.

    •Range Fighting
    Most Martial arts focus only on one or two ranges, e.g Kicks (Taekwondo & Karate), Punches (Boxing), Knee-Elbow Arts (Thai & Filipino Kali), Grappling (Wrestling, Judo), Joint Locks (Aikido) and Ground Fighting (Brazilian Jiu Jutsu) etc. JKD is a Multi Range Art with focus on Kicking, Punching, Knee-Elbows, Grappling & Joint Locks and Groundfighting.

    •Secret Techniques
    Many Martial Arts claim to have secret techniques of crippling & handicapping. JKD Has no secret techniques, but is based on scientific principles.

    •Weight Categories
    In most Martial Arts, you only fight opponents in your weight category. In real combat there is no age, weight and height category. In JKD, you fight opponents who are taller, heavier and more aggressive.

    •Rules & Regulations
    In many Martial Arts, you have to fight with rules and limitations. JKD is no holds barred.

    •Competition vs Combat
    Many Martial arts are sport oriented rather than combat oriented. In JKD all you do is combat. There is no competition, you only compete with yourself.

    •Kata vs Sparring
    The bulk of training in Most Martial Arts is by learning Katas or prearranged sequences. There is very little fighting. In JKD, You learn to fight by actually fighting under the Instructors’ expert supervision to ensure safety and scientific learning.

    •Full Contact
    Many Martial Arts boast of teaching “Full Contact” fighting. In JKD, You are taught to sparr all out with full body protection – Helmets, Chest Pads, Groin guards, Knee & Shin pads and large Gloves. Nobody gets hurt and everyone fights all out.

    •Tradition vs Practical
    Most Martial Arts have traditions, rituals, uniforms and train bare footed. In JKD, You fight with no traditions, uniforms, or rituals. You even train with regular attire & shoes.

    •Equipment
    Many Martial Arts train with little or few equipment In JKD, You train on sophisticated equipment like Heavy Bags, Speed Balls, Chinese Dummy, Top & Bottom Bags, Focus Pads, Human Dummy etc.

    •Holistic
    Many Martial Arts teach you only to Fight. JKD is a HOLISTIC Art with focus on all aspects of Life

    Jeet Kune Do originated in sixties when Lee had a ‘all out no holds barred’ fight with a Chinese Martial Artist. This fight influenced Lee’s philosophy on fighting. Despite winning, Lee found that the fight had lasted too long and that traditional arts were not good enough. He took the view that traditional martial art techniques were too rigid and formal to be practical in street fighting. He decided to design a system with an emphasis on “Practicality, Simplicity and Efficiency”. He investigated the traditional martial arts extensively and came up with “the style of no styles”. In China Town L.A. the school teaching JKD was opened. The main instructor being Dan Inosanto. The majority of students of this school like Richard Bustillo were also black belts with previous back ground in the martial arts. The lineage of Bruce Lee continues to liberate seekers from the patternised rigidity of traditional martial arts emphasizing the difference of Jeet Kune Do vs other Martial Arts. Today we are continuing carrying the torch of Jeet Kune Do.


    “Let it be understood once and for all that I have NOT invented a new style, composite or modification. I have in no way set Jeet Kune Do within a distinct form governed by laws that distinguish it from ‘this’ style or ‘that’ method. On the contrary, I hope to free my comrades from bondage to styles, patterns and doctrines.” – Bruce Lee
     
  18. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    I'm going to go bang my head against a wall.
     
  19. bluelaser

    bluelaser Valued Member

    :bang::D

    Make sure it's padded.
     
  20. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    It's ok it's a JKD wall so I won't make much contact......



    :whistle:
     

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