UFC 199

Discussion in 'Fight Discussions' started by aaradia, Jun 5, 2016.

  1. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    so I am currently watching the cruz vs faber fight... it is actually a great fight. should have given it a chance!
  2. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    Woot. I won some money on this one. :D

    And considering the announcement for UFC 200... I now cannot wait and glad I got that weekend off.
  3. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

  4. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

  5. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    There is a good louis c k routine about this... Which would violate TOS to post but is worth a look as it is funny and very appropriate.
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  6. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    I think it's generally accepted that people use homophobic slurs in ways that are not exclusively homophobic. To refer to something as 'gay', meaning lame or weak or stupid is pretty common, and while its homophobic origins are clear, that doesn't mean people using it in that modern usage are homophobic themselves.

    I think the fact that he pulled himself up on it immediately goes 90% of the way to mitigating its use.
  7. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Your opinion? Yes. Generally accepted? Absolutely not!

    Growing up with how it felt to have society use slurs meaning who my community was as the equivalent of being lame, weak and stupid, I can say that your explanation is no excuse.

    Using an anti- gay term to equivalate being GLBT to being lame weak and stupid is homophobic. Ignorance of the origins of this hate speech is no excuse to continue using it.

    I think using it showed his true attitude, and he realized he could get in trouble with the press right afterwards. Probably because he got Dana White talking about how he shouldn't use such speech LAST Time he did it. He asked the press to not show it. That is why he regretted its use.

    But I have plenty of other reasons to dislike Bisping. Like his spitting incident. His whiny attitude on TUF 3, his (IMO) intentional illegal knee. etc.
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  8. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Multiple gentle mod prods

    Ben, please remember its against ToS to post a link by itself without at least some form of explanation or summary about what it contains and its relevancy.

    Knee Rider, please watch the language a little. Word you used wasn't a big deal, but this is a family friendly forum and you could have made the same point without it.
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I think we are missing the real story here, which is that at somepoint in time I held the champs nuts in my hand......LIFEGOALS!!!!
  10. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Yes, but in Bisping's case the problem really is cultural. It is a word that is not used as a pejorative for homosexuals here, and has the meaning he used historically separate from any homophobia (indeed the American homophobic usage probably comes from the traditional Northern English). As the saying goes, we are two nations divided by a common language.
  11. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    That's before we've even broached these......
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Culturally as a pejorative the term "******" is exclusive to US English - its usage as an insult stems entirely from that

    ****** as in bundle of sticks for burning gave us "fag" (a single stick), but not a euphemism for "wimpy" outside of the US term

    Ah - the filter eliminated them....but you get the idea
  13. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Not true, it's always been a pejorative in English, meaning lame, egregious or obstructive. Old farmers here will still often call their animals it when they're being problematic.
  14. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    The OED has it listed also as a dated pejorative for a contemptible woman, which is probably the same.
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  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    None of which fits in with Bisping used it, nor how any usage in UK slang is in contemporary usage.....it's like calling someone "gay" and trying to claim you meant carefree and happy:)
  16. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Bisping used it as a generic insult in a heated moment. Does anyone really thing he was accusing Rockhold of being gay?
  17. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Way to miss the point - the implicit suggestion is fag (ergo "gay") is lesser

    Its like saying someone"works like an N-bomb" and saying "no, it's a compliment"
  18. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    You give Bisping too much credit. What he did was reach into the store of insults that we build up through our lives and that one came out. He immediately realised his mistake and acknowledged it.
  19. Madao13

    Madao13 Valued Member

    He doesn't miss the point.
    It was wrong of him to use that word but you can't call him homophobic for using it in a situation where he was really angered.
    This insult has deep roots in the everyday language, so deep that is used by people that don't think less of the gay community.

    He could just be one of them, that's why I asked aaradia if Bisping has a history of homophobic comments. Just this unfortunate instance is not enough to lebel him homophobic.
  20. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Pretty much. He's not homophobic (as far as I'm aware) and he used the first insult that came to his mind. No doubt he has nothing against the LGBT community, but throwing that word out still hurts the progression of the movement.

    I mean, I've definitely called people words to similar effect with the same intention and meaning. More so as a teenager. I've got much better insults now.

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