The Hubud and Tapi Tapi Thread

Discussion in 'Filipino Martial Arts' started by Simon, Aug 3, 2014.

  1. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    This is the first in a series of Hubud and Tapi Tapi videos.

    This is a massive subject and hopefully we can build a complete compendium of drills and techniques.

    Some of your own videos would be most appreciated too.

    They don't have to be overly produced or set up and even 30 second videos can move discussion forward.

    Levels of skill don't matter either. Beginners videos are welcome and no-one will get flamed or ridiculed for not being a Grand Master.

    We want both weapon and empty hand videos, especially your own. We know there are thousands on You Tube. We want where we can to keep this to our own stuff.

    So for this first video I've focused on the basic flow and structure.

    I'm not a fan of standing bolt upright and with overly flowing hands, so this is how I use structure to my advantage and how I teach the basics to my students.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDGTGpCN59o"]Hubud - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. Florete

    Florete Valued Member

    Good idea for a discussion.

    When I did Modern Arnis, we did a similar drill, and also when I trained in Lacoste-Inosanto Kali. The closest thing that comes to mind in Pekiti Tirsia would be Segung Labo. I am new to PTK so I am hardly an expert here, but the one difference I notice in the manner in which they are trained is in the energy that is used. Specifically, in PTK when I see people doing Segung Lebo, they are really putting their energy forward into the incoming strike.

    I see this being useful in two ways, but there are probably more. The first is to train the attributes of sensitivity and timing. The second is to provide a practical tool, particularly at close quarter, or when you are attacked without warning.

    I look forward to seeing how others respond.

    Cheers,
     
  3. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Which tapi-tapi are we talking about here? The flow drill used in Modern Arnis? I've seen it a few times, having trained with two Modern Arnis groups. But not trained in it.

    In my DP school, the term tapi tapi referred to a method of blocking. That doesn't seem to fit this context though.
     
  4. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Perhaps less about the Tapi Tapi drills we all use and more about the empty hand component of the art.

    If we take the meaning as rhythm play, it may make more sense.

    I'm currently interested in the gaps and points of entry my training partner offers me, especially from set movements because from this the responses become automatic, rather than programmed*.

    *I'm not sure I've made perfect sense there, but here's another video from yesterday's class.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQ5h7Ov4do"]Tapi Tapi - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Very nice, Simon! I liked that drill. Okay, so we're not talking about THE tapi tapi drill from MA. We're talking about something near and dear to my heart. Nice thread.
     
  6. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    As another example here is another entry and one of my favourites.

    I do like the single stick, but I'm definitely and empty hands man.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaK9jncWYu4&list=PLQZW4xl5r5GacO0XCU4rpQe4gnLUKANEt&index=3"]2nd Tapi Tapi drill - YouTube[/ame]
     
  7. Janno

    Janno Valued Member

    Looking smooth there mate :)
     
  8. Simon

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    Quick clip taken during tonight's lesson.

    Andy, assistant instructor and my son Ben, who hasn't been to class for about a year, so this was really a refresher for him.

    The idea here is to put a little more energy into just one section of the drill to draw a more martial response, rather than just sticking to a regulated drill.

    Hubud is a great drill for training attributes and this is one way to draw out those attributes.

    Sorry for the poor colour. This was shot on the fly, rather than properly staged.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaatuIIwxII"]Hubud Attribute Training - YouTube[/ame]

    Edit. Two things. Yes I have gained some weight and yes, that is a tattoo of a pair of nunchukus on my right forearm. :D
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2014
  9. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Here's a follow up to the above video.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-_aLZHLHAs"]Hubud Attributes II - YouTube[/ame]
     
  10. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Final brief clip from last night's training.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWDot24k2gk"]Hubud Attributes III - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Really nice video clips Simon. Thanks! I really like your point on not being to upright that is a pet peeve of mine. That and people not moving their feet!
     
  12. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Although this video belongs here it was also posted in the technique thread.

    We don't allow cross posting, but in this instance the post on the other thread was part of an on-going discussion.

    I like this drill. Just like hubud there is so much you can add.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDyoWfZTvU"]Attribute training - YouTube[/ame]
     
  13. am1t0

    am1t0 New Member

    Here is a video of me doing hubud attribute training at an intermediate level i.e. sticking largely to angle 1 whilst training other responses.
    By isloating the angle 1, it trains sensitivity to different attacking energies and response selection.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMJfyIYI258"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMJfyIYI258[/ame]
     
  14. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Nice work, nice variations.

    I like this kind of clip.

    Instructor makes you work while keeping it sensible.
     
  15. am1t0

    am1t0 New Member


    I am the instructor (the one in blue sweatshirt) so I thank you for the inadvertant compliment :hat:
     
  16. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Haha, got away with that one.

    Nice work.

    Video has been added to the member's video page on our You Tube channel.

    Anyone clicking on it gets directed to your site.
     
  17. Pat OMalley

    Pat OMalley Valued Member

    HUBUD & THE CROCODILE:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7wsqAzSwoA"]HUBUD & THE CROCODILE - YouTube[/ame]

    As for Hubud being a sensitivity drill I totally disagree
     
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  18. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    My version of our knife sensitivity drill.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDyoWfZTvU"]Attribute training - YouTube[/ame]

    Haninder Singh, Hannibal's Instructor, has posted a very similar video on You Tube.

    I really think there is value in this type of attribute training and I feel it gives you the ability to adapt and change in a heartbeat.

    Nice to see similarities, but also the different point of entry.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYGFkL0WEwc"]Empty Hand vs Knife Sensitivity Drill - SPECOPS Kali Program - YouTube[/ame]
     

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