sp jab/hook question

Discussion in 'Boxing' started by shs111, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    unless you're fighting a simpleton, they'll work out what you're doing and start adjusting their counter to account for your movement.

    I just don't see the point in trading a jab when you are leaving yourself vulnerable to a cross. The main purpose of a jab is to disrupt your opponent's timing and to be a nuisance, but it doesn't serve that purpose against a southpaw because you are punching right at their lead hand where they can easily block it or slap it down and feed you a jab of their own or, if they have good reach and are quick, they can step off and counter with a lead hook to your unguarded face (Pacquiao does that a lot).

    You're playing into a Southpaw's hands relying on the jab. We'll happily trade jabs for crosses all. day. long.

    EDIT: Re-reading your post, I'm confused, are you a southpaw stepping outside on the jab (where you'll have the angle) or are you an orthodox who is stepping to the right to avoid a southpaw cross?
     
  2. cuongnhugirl

    cuongnhugirl Banned Banned

    I'm stepping to my right to avoid my opponents right and i usually double up the jab as i do.

    The best weapon to use against a southpaw is probably the straight right.
     
  3. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    I strike 1/2 faster then 1/1

    do you still can counter it
     
  4. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    But are you an orthodox fighter? Because they should not be stepping to the right because it gives a southpaw a dominant position. That's what we were talking about a handful of posts ago. In a fight between opposite stances, you need to have your lead foot to the outside of your opponent's lead foot - it's the most important thing.

    If you're southpaw, then stepping to the right might open up an angle where you can land a jab or a right hook (or a left cross).

    Yeah, an orthodox fighter is always going to be well served with a right anything. The lead hand is pretty much useless from an attacking perspective, unless you're an amazing boxer.
     
  5. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    are you saying, in such fights, a lead hand for either is secondary
     
  6. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Defensively it's important, but from an offensive point of view, you're going to be relying on your rear hand.
     
  7. cuongnhugirl

    cuongnhugirl Banned Banned

    Ok me and you weren't on the same page. I was refering to using the jab against an orthodox opponent which i fight most of the time. I am left handed, i usually jab with my left because it has more pop on it than my right. I have found that the straight right is an effective counter against southpaws.
     
  8. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    if the other fighter throws a three hook combo rear, lead, rear
     
  9. cuongnhugirl

    cuongnhugirl Banned Banned

    Not sure if i understand the question, but are you asking how to defend against a three hook combo? You could just step back and counter with a straight punch. Or duck under them and counter with hooks to the body and an uppercut upstairs. To be clear, you can step back out of range of a hook but the opponent is still in range for a straight punch.
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2013
  10. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    dunno if I can do that

    I mean, if you can't move or duck
     
  11. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    I'd concentrate on not getting into a position where your opponent can throw three unanswered hooks.
     
  12. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    what if you are already there
     
  13. Ero-Sennin

    Ero-Sennin Well-Known Member Supporter

    Then you're getting hit with three consecutive hooks.
     
  14. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    how do you counter a combo that starts from rear
     
  15. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    The same way you counter anything, either beat your opponent to a strike or block/parry/slip your opponent's shot and throw the most sensible strike at your opponent taking advantage of his guard not being back in place.
     
  16. Ero-Sennin

    Ero-Sennin Well-Known Member Supporter

    Man, you are the what if king! There comes a time in boxing where you just have to pick your pants up, put your belt on and fight back. If you're getting hit with a combo you can either maneuver out of the way, grab hold/shoulder check them backwards, or fight back.

    Get a sparring partner and tell them you want to do a drill. The drill will be designed where one of you is the designated combo starter. That person will throw a 5 punch combo every time during every engagement during sparing. The other person has to interrupt the combination by either counter punching, moving out of the way, or grabbing on before the 5 punch combo is finished. This drill is especially fun to do when you're sparring partner doesn't know how to hold back his punches :cool:
     
  17. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    :D

    ok, so, how do you counter a rear single attack, to the head
     
  18. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    ...I'm getting the feeling you don't actually have much (or any) MA experience.
     
  19. sampla

    sampla Valued Member

    just the training

    no sparring
     
  20. Ero-Sennin

    Ero-Sennin Well-Known Member Supporter

    Well, you have to throw a punch of your own. . . . . . . . . . . . :thinking:
     

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