Interesting thing came up today and I wanted to run it by you pros. Prior to class we worked an armbar attack where you grab all 4 fingers of the guy holding on for dear life and rip them off his own arm, with a nice amount of squeezing going on. It was something that was shown last week when away. Then in class rolling I was in a bow/arrow choke and saw an opportunity to hook my elbow (that little hookie bone on the inside that I like for heel hooks) onto the guys toes to pull them down. I created the same effect as a figure 4 toe hold but without the figure 4ing. I'm trying to figure out where the small joint manipulation comes into play here, any thoughts on these two scenarios - do they seem legit?