Well, not after the aikido guy has finished with them they dont. But every now and then a tai chi guy turns up who can figjt. Where is the equivalent aikido guy? its from a film. it looked how it was ment to
Yeah but you have to admit those neck chops were aces PB. Sorry if this is thick but what exactly is CQB, Not some new kind of biscuit is it? I don't think personal beliefs have to be a hindrance. A lot depends on the make up of the person, and what there goals are. If someone say they are a help to them and can hold there own, who is anyone to say otherwise? I'm sure lots of soldiers have died on the Battlefield with thoughts of going to heaven and there for the grace of God go I. How are Eastern ideals and philiosophy ie. 'Immortality' any different. It is a personal choice to have these issues seperate or brought together. This spiritual thing is something that effects both aikido and tai chi to varying degrees for different reasons. Instructors and students have there own choices to make as to what they want, as long as it is coupled with some honesty and realism (to my standards) I am happy. What is the point of letting others standards bother me ? We will all gravitate to a standard that suits our abilities and requirements. Just like in everyday life really. Some people like a bit of 'spirit' with there learning to deal out a smackdown. If they feel such a balance is better for them/ works for them so be it. There are both exceptions and rules. Not one or the other. A bit like yin and yang even. Go figure. Anyway that's my tuppence. Feel the Ki all you hippies out there
Close Quarters Battle. It's a military term which is chocolate coated and filled with caramel. Liokault, I am not going to name people as it is considered crude but if you read about some of the shihan and their lives I think you will realise your mistake. The Bear.
I pretty much agree with this as well. You can train a martial art for many years, and still get your ass kicked by some big strong bull of a man in a barroom fight. You can teach people technique and applications, but you can't teach the killer mental attitude that it takes to prevail in a down and dirty street fight with some guy who has nothing to lose. With that said, for people who are seeking the martial in TCC, "most" should get some martial within a 10 years time frame I would think. If you have nothing after ten years, then you will probably have nothing after 20.
If we're discussing a martial art's ability to impart skill at unarmed combat, then yes that is more important than what happened in a fight involving guns and explosives. Talking about how 'martial art X must be OK because I know a guy in the army who does it' is a foolish argument.
You are distorting my argument. I said that training in martial arts may have some cross over into CQB - at least if you train in attributes. Or does a martial artist switch off all his skills in a CQB situation? Of course some martial arts may impart more relevant attributes than others. Also not all martial arts involve purely unarmed combat. On the other hand some don't involve very much unarmed combat at all. Likewise with CQB - it's a general term that covers a range of situations. If a professional with real CQB experience tells me his MA training assisted him and how, I'll tend to listen over someone who is a "social" martial artist - no offence.
As Polar Bear said, the biggest thing about a great fighter is the natural talent. You can become a good technical fighter, but it takes something special to be a good "fighter", i.e. batshit crazy mofo. I know people who when playing with them they aren't very skilled and you can hoof them about. When the **** hits the wall though something else happens. Its a scary thing to behold.
money and i dont know where to find a good martial taichi school....all the places around my house think that taichi is just a meditation
The problem is that a lot of people only want that sort of thing. Everyone wants to de-stress, and the thought of joining a martial arts class is just too stressful. This idea might get shot down in flames but...how about going to the class for the meditation and relaxation stuff, who knows it might help you to loosen up and relax more in a different kung fu class. might help your balance too. Of course if it is too fluffy, then you will be wasting time. Go to a line dancing class instead, it'll probably have more benefits and be more interesting than Chinese line dancing.
What don't you understand about attirbutes crossing over into other activities? Movement skills, awareness, let alone MA based weapons training. And yes, in some cases they did fight either gun-less or without any weapons. "Modern warfare" covers a lot of situations, hand to hand still occurs. Let alone the fact that a lot of these guys also worked in specialist outfits, police-type operations, bodyguard work, etc Do you get it now?
No, because I haven't seen an impressive display of unarmed skill from people trained in the arts you are referring to yet. Polar Bear: I would like an example of people fighting barehanded in modern warfare. I've only heard of people killing sentries by taking them by surprise with a knife from behind.
I think any such examples would be word of mouth, why would anyone publicise anything of that sort and who would believe it without evidence. Anyone can claim to have had barehanded fights in war, but will you believe them? Furthermore, if such evidence exists, I think it is more likely to be in a foreign language than in English, from what I know (which is not much) of US and UK armed forces they generally blow everything to bits before they send ground forces in, so encounters with enemies on the ground are not as neumorous. I reviewed the thread, but dont really get what arts you are refering to, please explain.
Come along, our door is always open - even made a free offer for Vladimir's workshop next weekend for Bullshido members Hand to hand examples, off the top of my head - taking prisoners, close range /knife work, working in civilian / built up areas, undercover work. Like I mentioned before, not your general "soldier" work maybe but more specialised areas.
In modern urban warfare training, unarmed combat is taught because you cannot always keep your distance from the enemy. Almost all Special Forces train it. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't used. The Bear.
Unarmed combat is generally taught to soldiers to build aggression and self confidence and the training rarely takes up more than a fragment of training time. Soldiers are taught not to lose their weapon at any cost, and special forces soldiers carry backups. There are plenty of serving military personnel on this board or bullshido who will tell you that what they learned at boot camp was simplistic at best. The idea that soliders, even special forces personnel receive awesome martial arts training in unarmed combat is a cinematic myth. The user 'Asia' is involved in building the new US army unarmed combat programme and it is heavily based on combat sports. They are not even considering things like Aikido or Systema (and according to the russian military people he's served alongside, they trained in Sambo). Ask him.
