From what I have seen of Savate it produces some good fighters and hence has different points to add to my kicking and overall stand up game. It is an art I have always wanted to do eversince I watches UFC 1. Ollie I will 100% be up having a go at it real soon mate!
lack of respect? im the first one on here outside of people who practice the art to give it props whenever it is mentioned. its one of the few arts still on my "to do" list because I think it really does have things that I could learn from it- I have always been in awe of the grace that savateurs display in the ring. maybe you should use a search button before you start mouthing off at people because you are under some kind of preconception they are trying to offend you. and if you are implying that most savateurs wouldnt waste their time posting on a forum, why are you here? im just stating the facts. IF a new forum gets made it IS NOT going to be for one of the arts that draws the least amount of discussion on MAP. this is a fact. if you feel the need to get in a tissy about this call toyota because according to their ad campaigns, they care.
Chill out guys. Ollie, we haven't got a Savate forum here because we've never had a demand for one. What we normally encourage practitioners to do is intially use the 'Others' section but title their threads like this: Savate: Do you do clinch work? Savate: Where do I get good Savate shoes? So that the staff can see that there is an active Savate community. After, say a month, the Admin will decide whether there has been enough traffic to warrent giving the style it's own forum.
Chill out guys. Ollie, we haven't got a Savate forum here because we've never had a demand for one. What we normally encourage practitioners to do is intially use the 'Others' section but title their threads like this: Savate: Do you do clinch work? Savate: Where do I get good Savate shoes? So that the staff can see that there is an active Savate community. After, say a month, the Admin will decide whether there has been enough traffic to warrent giving the style it's own forum. By the way, any future plans on another Sambo book? Not enough of them on the market IMHO
Maybe the 'western martial arts' or 'other' sections would be better places to start discussions than 'kickboxing' at the moment... my short experience on MAP 'kickboxing' is exactly as Pugil suggested. I didn't come here to argue with people / defend my art against negativity. :bang: I did come along to have discussions about technique, training, competitions & events, and to answer questions from others who have an interest!
Ok on topic - are there any specific or heavily used combinations in Savate that are not mainstream in Kickboxing, Thai or TKD. Not sure if there would be as only so many ways of hitting someone but thought I would ask for enlightenment?
Aggression I am really appalled about how narrow-minded certain "martial artists" are! :bang: Savate's popularity should NOT be an issue when it comes to settting up a forum about it. The simple fact that some people are interested in it should be enough. If popularity was everything, we would never have been able to enjoy most of the coolest sports around - skate-boarding or fixed-rope climbing to name but a few. There are plenty more things in France and in the rest of the world that are worth discovering, despite of the fact that they're not popular. And yes, big news, there are those of us who don't act like sheep and who'd rather pass on the "popular" and get a chance to try something new, every now and then. Plus, isn't obvious that having a variety of martial arts to try out and compare is a way to make more people want to come and join the martial arts community? I joined Martial Arts Planet with enthusiasm because I saw it as a way to meet other martial artists and share ideas and passions. Seeing yet another round of "my martial art rules, yours sucks" makes me :cry: Thanks to Freeform for remind us to chill out. (Scots rock!) Hugs to Pugil for defending Savate.
Savate kicking combinations Thanks for you post enquiring about Savate kicking combination Sonshu. In Boxe (sport) Savate one of the main tools used is the lead leg chasse to an opponent's lead leg thigh. You don't [often] see this technique used in Muay Thai, and kicks to the legs are often not allowed in a lot of other kickboxing styles and, of course, Taekwondo (as far as I'm aware). You do, however, see BJJ and MMA fighters use it to good effect at times, although Savateurs will often use it repeatedly - in a staccato manner. Another kick not really seen in the other arts is the coup de pied bas. This kick is difficult to describe accurately in print, so I won't try on this occasion, I'll show it to you when you come up This kick is delivered very low down on the leg (to the shin or ankle), either as a strike or a sweep. When it comes to putting kicks together in combination I truly believe that the top Savateurs can hold their own with anyone. The footwork and angling is also first class. They never stay in one place for more than about three strikes before they've moved off-line and around you whilst still peppering you with a variety of hits as they do so. I have a Thai Boxer who has trained with me for a number of years who now says that his Thai Boxing is at a higher level than it was before due to a greater variety of kicks and combinations and because he feels that his footwork has improved dramatically. Please don't get me wrong: I have the very highest respect for Muay Thai and I truly believe it to be an incredible ring art. Thai boxers are also conditioned like no one else. Having said that, it is an art of eight weapons, whereas in Savate we are only allowed to 'Fence' in the sporting version with our shoes and our gloves. Clinching in the sport of Savate is also not allowed, hence the need to be able to move well. Pugil
It has nothing to do with being open-minded. If we had a forum for every style ever invented, we'd probably have over a thousand forums. China recognizes about 400 Chinese styles. That'd be 400 forums, instead of just 1 "Kung Fu" forum. If you can get 100 Savate people to join MAP, then you might have a shot at getting a Savate forum. Choi Kwang Do isn't that popular of a style, but enough CKD people joined MAP for it to be a worth-while forum. If there are only 10 people who would post in the Savate forum, there'd be no point in having it. I'm sure anyone who does Savate will be perfectly happy using the "Kickboxing," "Western Martial Arts," and "Other" sections. Wrestlers and Fencers don't have their own forum, and if they don't, why should Savate? Pugil>What do you think of your Savate/Sambo mix?
Savate / Sambo mix I'm not quite sure I understand your question. At our Academy in Cambridge UK we teach Boxe Savate and Sambo (Sombo) Wrestling on different nights. They are the sporting versions of the two arts. One is kicking and punching, the other involves grappling, throwing, hold-downs, arm and leg-locks. When we look at Savate Defence (street Savate) and CombatSombo (Military Sambo) the two systems overlap in many ways and are, therefore, entirely complimentary. By which I mean they both employ stand-up striking i.e. kicks, punches, elbows, knees, headbutting, etc., as well as a number of throws and takedowns. Both systems also use weapons in training. The only thing that Savate Defence does not really emphasise is much in the way of fighting on the ground. Pugil
What I meant was how is cross-training in Sambo and Savate working out for you? How has training in those styles benefitted you as a fighter? In what ways do they compliment each other? How do they compare to other striking/grappling combinations, like BJJ/Muay Thai?
Number of styles/systems I agree with KickyFairie. It shouldn't be based simply on numbers. It's a bit like saying you can't have a mother hen because there aren't enough chicks to be looked after. If you have a hen you'll get more eggs, and then more chicks If we're comparing numbers: Someone once told me that there are around 800 different styles of Silat in Indonesia. In the Philippines there are also many different systems of Filipino Martial Arts - often referred to as FMA. As I see it, the obvious way is to have Forums for Filipino Martial Arts, Indonesian Martial Arts, Chinese Martial Arts, Korean Martial Arts, Japanese Martial Arts, etc., and then maybe allow sub-divisions for arts that warrant / justify it. I can't really see much point in having several different forums for the many versions of Karate nowadays - when they are all descendents of four original systems anyway. Just have Karate, Kendo, Sumo, Aikido, etc., under a main banner of 'Japanese Martial Arts'. If that were the case, Savate could quite happily reside under the main Forum of Western Martial Arts (or similar). It doesn't fit well under 'Kickboxing' alone as it has seperate sport and street elements. Sambo could also fit well under the Western Martial Arts banner, although it too has at least two elements. Having seperate Forums for arts that have little real history (virtually made up yesterday) makes no sense at all to me - irrespective of whether they have managed to recruit an arbitrary number of members. The Moonies also have a lot of members. No doubt if they claimed to have a martial art system they'd have to be provided with their own Forum too! Pugil
thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. doesnt make it right though. the reasons why have already been said.
Savate / Sambo Cross-training Basically, Boxe Savate is a great striking system for feet and hands. Sport Sambo is very good for throwing and grappling. Savate Defence has some good close-quarter skills for the street, as does Combat Sombo (Sambo). Being British I also like the idea of training in arts like Sambo and Savate as they are closer to home and a little out of the ordinary - I don't like to follow the crowd so to speak. BJJ is a great art, and when combined with Muay Thai (another great art, in my opinion) they work well together. Add in some Sambo leg-locks, throws and takedowns, along with some Savate footwork and long-range kicks and you end up with an even better training regime, especially for MMA fighting. At the end of the day, it's conditioning first and foremost, and it also comes down to the man himself, rather than being so much about the system he is/has trained in. Some people are great fighters despite the art they train in. Having said that, a good knowledge in all areas is a huge asset to anyone involved in MMA type contests. Pugil
Strikes used in Boxe Savate A general over-view of the main types of strikes used in Boxe Savate are as follows: 1) Fouetté These are kicks which are delivered, with either foot, in a whip-like action from a lateral (side on) position, to low, medium or high level targets. A characteristic of these kicks is that they are often delivered with the foot fully extended, to strike with either the point or the top of the shoe. 2) Revers Fouetté These are reverse action kicks which are delivered, with either foot, from a lateral (side on) position, to low, medium or high level targets. A characteristic of these kicks are that they are delivered in a reverse arc, with a whip-like action from the knee, to strike with either the sole or the heel of the shoe. 3) Chassé These are thrusting kicks which can be delivered, with either foot, from a frontal or lateral position, to low, medium or high level targets. A characteristic of these kicks is that the knee and leg is lifted upwards (chambered) prior to being thrust out to the target, and the leg is immediately rechambered afterwards. The foot is always positioned in advance of the knee, when in the chambered position, and it travels to the target in a direct (straight) line before returning along the same path - in a piston-like action. The kick is delivered with the heel - never the edge - of the foot. 4) Revers Balancé These are reverse kicks delivered, with either foot, in a swing-like arc, from either a frontal or lateral position, to medium or high level targets. A characteristic of these kicks is that, in the frontal position, the kick is delivered in an outside crescent action, to strike the target with the outside edge of the shoe. In the lateral position the kick is brought round with the leg fully extended to strike the target with the sole of the shoe. 5) Coup de pied bas These kicks are delivered in a frontal position, with either foot, to the shins and ankles. A characteristic of these kicks is that the leg remains straight throughout, and the kick is delivered with the leg moving in a pendulum-like action, with the upper body swaying back as the kick is delivered. The inside arch of the sole of the shoe is used to strike the target. When the lead foot is used to the inside of the lower leg, especially around the ankle, this also acts as an effective inside foot sweep. There are also what I would call 'sub-divisions' of the above, and several kicks can, of course, also be delivered from a turning or jumping movement too. Punching: The punching is virtually the same as in the sport of Boxing. The only real difference is that when delivering the Jab (lead straight punch - direct bras avant), the bodyweight is positioned 60/40 in favour of the back leg. The action is similiar to a Defensive Jab in Boxing. The reason is to avoid committing too much weight to the front leg, which is a vulnerable target, especially to the low Chasse and Coup de pied bas kicks. Pugil
Hello from Slovenia. The southest border of EU. Please visit our website www.savate-zveza.si Yes , like pugil said. Savate is very specialised fighting discipline - not martial art. With english boxing , french boxing is part of the stabil and unique art of western fighting. And Europeans ....))....we know we are the champions....)). In our region savate is present from 19. century when officers from Serbia (Yugoslavia) returned from military education from France and brought to their country all the knowldge of Savate. The other part of coming savate to Slovenia and Croatia was Prague where some French instructors very eraly starts with savate courses. I think that it is the best thing to find out the literature about savate ...you will never find so many old written texts in karate and muay thai like in french and english boxing. And when gentleman rules told us that kicking is not very polite way of fighting - savate boxe francaise did it with all power. Later - after war ...only asian instructors were able not to be gentleman and to teach the "right"way of did it in non gentleman manner. Sorry for my english best regards slovenian savate federation
