Modern Hojutsu

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by Ben Gash CLF, Aug 20, 2011.

  1. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Not entirely sure what I think of this
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMUO0UbeK-4&feature=related"]How to Perform Hojutsu-Ryu Kata - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    this can't be right...
















    ....no kiai?
     
  3. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    also, PEPPER SPRAY FIGHT!
     
  4. Da Lurker

    Da Lurker Valued Member

    at first glance I thought "modern MOJO-jutsu?"

    when I saw the vid it seems that I was correct: how to spank a bid bad monkey. YOUR monkey. :evil:
     
  5. Seventh

    Seventh Super Sexy Sushi Time

    What the....
     
  6. Nojon

    Nojon Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein

    Narrator mentioned Soke-dai several times. I wonder what governing body they are with? I bet it rhymes with puko-pie.








    thats..."interesting"
     
  7. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    How to invent something pointless.
     
  8. 19thlohan

    19thlohan Beast and the Broadsword

    Why's he protecting the gun so much? Shouldn't it be the other way around?:hat:
     
  9. 19thlohan

    19thlohan Beast and the Broadsword

    Is that the sound fake guns make when you pull the trigger?:hat:
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

  11. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    That's Jeff Hall. He's considered a distinguished master in the NRA, which means he is a heck of a shot and very consistent. He's a well qualified firearms instructor and is former law enforcement with SWAT experience. Though the packaging may look odd, from everything I've seen of him he's top notch.
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    It is still damn odd to put a modern weapon into a method of training that is somewhat archaic
     
  13. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    A lot of it seems pretty sound though, working on your draw and pivots. Though a bit formalized, some of the strikes are basic defensive tactics taught to law enforcement. I think the kata is more the "art" portion but does stress some basic skills, much like any other kata does.

    From some of the articles I've read, grading is no joke either especially for the dan grades. Anything under 90% and you fail, shoot outside the ring you fail, and for sandan you have to shoot three Handgun Combat Master tests back to back, with no less than 98% accuracy. HCM tests require a lot of speed in addition to accuracy, you're shooting under some very short time frames.

    Overall, Soke Jeff Hall is the real deal. The traditional uniform and protocol might not be for everyone, but if you want to learn shooting you definitely won't be disappointed.
     
  14. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    He is a fellow "Weaver Stancer" so I have to give him props for that at least!
     
  15. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    I'm an isosceles guy myself, but due to my military and LE training I'll admit I'm biased.
     
  16. Kemposhot

    Kemposhot Valued Member

    I've seen this art popping up a lot lately. Black Belt did an article on it recently and a few Podcasts I listen to have done interviews with Soke Hall. He is a retired Alaska State Trooper and firearms instructor, a long with holding advanced degree black belts in a few traditional arts.

    Also a weaver shooter myself, although I was taught isosceles as well.

    Soke Hall seems to be a man with a lot of passion for both traditional martial arts and firearms and has worked out a way of combining the two.
     
  17. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I was taught Isoceles and i was less than average with it - by switching to a modified weaver I increased my ability drsatically

    It was something to do with having a REALLY dominant eye
     
  18. Sanke

    Sanke Valued Member

    I can't really comment on the gun work here, it looks quite solid from the little I know of using firearms, but that's about all I can say.

    What I can say, however, is that this is a very strange system to have come into being. Despite the apparent quality of the firearm handling, setting it out like a traditional Japanese system seems to serve no other purpose than to give the whole ordeal a certain flavor.
    It seems quite odd to me to invent a system based very much in the western (if not straight up American) use of firearms, but then use terms like 'kata', 'soke', and adding in some strikes and grabs from what appears to be a karate-style system (though I'm not really sure about that), which honestly don't look that effective in a situation where a gun is involved in the first place.

    And as a practitioner of classical Japanese arts, the use of the word soke is setting off the biggest alarm for me. It's just not the accurate useage, at all, and a modern systems that uses this title for their leader is almost always the hallmark of a fraudulent system, or at the very least that the people who invented it have no understanding of the terms they are using.

    Now that's not to say there is no merit to this particular system. Like I said, from my limited understanding of firearms training, it looks fairly well thought out.
    But the way they've gone about the structure, the terminology and the feeling of it all, just seems wrong to me.
     
  19. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Thanks for the post Sanke. From my own limited knowledge of the Hojutsu system, I think Hall is trying to blend modern firearms training with Japanese Budo, hence a lot of the more formalized etiquette and kata. He actually has written a lot of great articles for various LE sites (e.g. Police One) and I really like his views. As I said before, the packaging might be a bit odd, but what's inside is solid.

    Most of his unarmed stuff is defensive tactics 101 as taught to police officers too from what little I've seen.
     
  20. shootodog

    shootodog restless native

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJAuLmJgvA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJAuLmJgvA[/ame]
     

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