Mayweather vs McGregor fight

Discussion in 'Boxing' started by EdiSco, Aug 26, 2017.

  1. Madao13

    Madao13 Valued Member

    Mayweather fought him the same way Diaz did in the second match after the second round. He walked him down with his forearms shielding him,
    getting in his space, connecting and making him uncomfortable and tired.

    The question that this fight poses for McGregor's future IMO is this:

    McGregor because of this experience is now even more ahead of his UFC competition striking wise or now
    the recipe of defeating him is more clear than ever?
    Conor will have to close the gaps on his armour because the Diaz, Holloways, Fergusons and Gaethjes of this world are coming for him.
     
  2. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    But will he keep finding ways to NOT defend any titles he has? The true greats defend their titles IMO.
     
  3. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Some of this discussion reminds me a bit of people slating premiership footballers in the pub.

    I hate football: it bores me. I wasn't great at it but I did play county as a kid for a while (winger). There were guys on the team that would skin me and everyone else and were seemingly untouchable. They didn't get anywhere near playing for a big team. Most of them went to trials. I think nobody made it past playing for local towns in God knows what division/league. In order to get to the high levels you have to earn it and you have to be bloody amazing.

    Everyone on here would be hugely humbled to fight a top tier pro. It'd be short work. It would be a humiliation. I think a bit of reality should be injected into proceedings because in places it seems a little removed.

    All of Floyd's opponent's have been amazing boxers. Floyd is an amazing boxer. All of McGregor's pro fights have been against solid, incredibly good fighters and he is a top level fighter. I imagine only a handful of people on here have experienced what a high level MMA fighter is capable of or even a low level one.

    @Matt F - I get it. You think he is over hyped and can't stand the aggressive promotional machine and crass activity that drives his brand. I can't argue with that. I completely agree. But he does deserve his due credit imo. Your stance kind of reminds me of when I refused to listen or endorse nirvana in the 1990s.
     
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  4. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    It's a discussion board people will slate fighters lol why else be here?, I think it's fair to slate Connors boxing because as a boxer he isn't great, his jab was good, he had nice footwork but does anyone think he is world class as a boxer? No he is a good/great mma fighter but as a boxer he has really done nothing to warrant this fight .

    This match up was marketing more than anything, very good marketing, world class marketing and because of that two fighters are now very very rich,
     
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  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I hear this a lot from people who seem to think he started out earning this much. Is he overpaid? Possibly, indeed probably, but he went through years of being paid nothing (amateur ranks) and very little (early pro) to get to that level of earnings - so unless you actually like taking punishment, high risk of injury, working out and have nothing else but your fighting career you aren't in the wrong business at all
     
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  6. Matt F

    Matt F Valued Member

    I don't see where I have not given him credit for being the top fighter in his division and beating who he has had put in front of him. Thats a truth and what has actually happened.

    What also happened is he had no,power, not enough fitness, did non of the things he said he would against mayweather, and his apparently futuristic training methods were lacking. That's a truth.
    It's not giving out no credit. It's bringing reality to the earlier proceedings as you say.

    If you applied critical thinking to all the praise Nirvana were getting ,knew the history of music in depth , including underground and non mainstream music since the 50 's or did research on it and drew as realistic a conclusion as you could , rather than just repeating or being told what to think , then the stance is similar.
     
  7. Matt F

    Matt F Valued Member

    Again, where's the critical thinking or research?

    His dad gave an interview where he said, as a taxi driver, he had cash lying about, which he threw at Connor to get him motivated to get out of bed .He got him a plumbers apprentice job. That's a pretty good opportunity. Connor went for a bit then wouldn't get out of bed again. He choose benefits to train full time at the gym because thats what he wanted to do.
    Sounds more privaliged than is made out to me.
     
  8. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I was talking about Floyd - try reading the conversation again
     
  9. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    The distain you have for how he is regarded and how he behaves is palpable (and not necessarily misplaced) but I think it's a bit much and I think it's causing you to dismiss him a bit too heavily. He fights superbly and record aside, I think his performance's speak for themselves. So...

    ...Yeah I think they are somewhat comparable in that I did all that and made my mind up that the frothing, gushing fandom was ridiculous, unearned and that they weren't something I was going to buy into and in doing so I missed out on some good tunes that teenage me would have loved and ultimately scored them short in my estimation and didn't really give them enough credit. I was biased by my revulsion to the culture around them which I saw as being disproportionate to their ability compared to bands of the past and their contextual peers. But I can live with that and I don't wanna harp on, plus I always (and still) preferred AIC and Soundgarden anyway.

    Anyway, I'm arguing far more energetically than I should considering I 1) don't especially like Conor 2) don't have a burning desire to change your mind 3) don't actually disagree that his hardcore fans are delusional and that the swaggering, arrogant, machismo drenched marketing and materialism is extremely grating.
     
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  10. Madao13

    Madao13 Valued Member

    He did. The link I posted was 100% legit. I saw an interview he gave last night and confirmed what was written in it.
    It was difficult for him, he had to put a friend to do it and he could only bet a lot less money, but he did.
     
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  11. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Yeah you're right I guess. Just a bug bear of mine.

    Completely agree regarding the boxing.
     
  12. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I must of missed your link!

    Nice one!

    Although technically/legally he didn't place the bets.

    When your earning 100 million plus, side bets are just for fun!
     
  13. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Spot on!
     
  14. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    I think it's a question of how much skill and knowledge do you have to have before you can comment on something, for example we both could say Paul Daley's big downfall is his takedown defence and his relatively poor ground skills, does it make my statement more true than you saying it because I have taken him down in the clinch at will before? And yes I have and no strikes were not involved lol. Or are we both simply stating something anyone can see even though we could never do what he does?
     
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  15. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    I think you're right but really there's a separation between technical analysis of someone's performance and strengths and weaknesses and just speaking about them like they're nothing and that their achievements aren't as valid as they are. I'm not aiming that at anyone in particular and certainly it's not fallacious to point out Conor McGregor's lack of establishes boxing credentials, deficiencies in performance and general career but sometimes people's opinions grate on me when I perceive a fundamental lack of respect or acknowledgement for the difficulty and elite nature of their achievements. I think that can be unspoken between people who train with professionals and spar with active fighters as you experience the grind and see the terrain in terms of the skill hierarchy but there have been some comments here that don't really show a fundamental respect for that in my opinion. It is what it is. I always say that the worst thing about MMA is the fans ha!
     
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  16. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    I'm not sure where these accusations of racism against McGregor are coming from :eek: If anything, he has said in several interviews he considers Muhammad Ali his hero - even from an early age.

    There are some real nasty racists out there - perhaps the media should focus on them instead.
     
  17. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    ...some people are too sensitive these days and can't handle a bit of trash talk i.e. generation snowflake getting butthurt :rolleyes:
     
  18. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    There are certain words, phrases and terms that carry racial and emotional baggage from centuries and decades of oppression of certain people.
    Those words carry weight. Using those words, phrases and terms can show that you are racist or at the very least lack empathy with the target of those words, phrases and terms.
    This should not be news to you if you have been alive longer than 5 years.

    During the build up to the fight Conor used the words "monkey" and "boy" to describe Mayweather. Those words have been used in the subjugation and abuse of black people for decades. Although "boy" is mainly a US term.
    I don't think McGee is racist. I think he, in the heat of the exchange and being irish, used "boy" in terms of saying Mayweather was smaller and weaker than him. He realised the weight if that term in the US and stopped using it. He also used the term monkey to get Mayweather to dance for him in the sense of the organ grinder and the monkey. Again he realised the weight of that term and didn't say it again.

    There was media debate over Conor's use of those terms. As well there should be. IMHO a massive sporting event has many eyes and ears on it and a good opportunity to air these opinions that otherwise can go unsaid and hidden.

    And it ain't due to being "butthurt".
     
  19. Ero-Sennin

    Ero-Sennin Highly Skilled Peeper Supporter

    There's something in the fight game for every aspect of society I guess, lol
     
  20. Matt F

    Matt F Valued Member

    Distain is too strong a word for someone I don't actually know and it would waste too much energy. He simply comes across to me as an arrogant plonker.
    I'm trying to be aware of that bias so it doesn't get in the way. I can't help it if he said lots of things before the fight and then didn't do them. That's what actually happened .And he said a lot.
    Pointing out he had no and power gassed is a long way from showing distain for someone.
    If you can honestly say you take something from him and then use it to bang people out or up your game, then who can argue.
    I get lots from fighters past and present who no one hardly ever seems to talk about or who get pushed aside in favour of ones better known, better puplicised , etc.

    I think our views on critical thinking differ. Why didn't you just listen to them if you liked them or some of their stuff and put them into perspective and then if a conversation popped up about them you could express what you thought and that you found them overrated or whatever. Sounds more like you cut your nose off to spite you face ,so to speak. And not meaning that offensively either.
     

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