Just recently had a seminar...

Discussion in 'Hapkido' started by TKDPractitioner, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. TKDPractitioner

    TKDPractitioner New Member

    with Master D. Sung:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0cDt3a0YdM"]SKMA hapkido london self defence preEmptive, gun defence (master Sung) - YouTube[/ame]

    It was great fun and this guy is amazingly good.
     
  2. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

  3. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    Personally I thought that was horrible. Not enough offline work from the line of fire or controlling the line of fire for my liking.
     
  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    The gun disarms made me weep

    The rest looked liked bog standard against a complaint uke for the demo. Certainly nothing to write home about
     
  5. embra

    embra Valued Member

    A few comments:-

    Yes not too good, almost no attack/danger whatsoever.

    However, this brings me to a couple of points.

    1) In TMA, if the attacker doesn't attack you meaningfully and purposely i.e. without a lot of change, the drill is dead and empty i.e. you can't develop the technique or principle. This gets worse when your 'attacker' does not absorb the energy of the counter. This does not mean compliance. Developing technique and principle takes a lot of effort for all concerned.

    2) I tried gun disarms once, I found them surprisingly much simpler than knife disarms i.e. offline and outwards rotation of gun (away from you), back onto firing finger seemed to do the trick. Im curious as to what other folk's experiences are - MAs and LEOs alike.
     
  6. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    This

    And this
     
  7. TKDPractitioner

    TKDPractitioner New Member

    Umm guys, just to let yoh know, this video is not actually the seminar, this is just a random video of the guy I posted.
    The actual seminar was great and there were some great stuff we learnt.
    I'm sorry, this video makes him not look as good as he really is.
     
  8. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    the video just shows the same problems that all compliant martial arts have. they only work when uke lets the technique work. tori doesn't have to really do anything.
     
  9. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    Out of interest, is this self defense ? It seems the first section deals with completely compliant non attacking static people, why?

    The middle section seemed to deal with a lame attack and flop.

    And the gun disarms were 'pretty' but I wouldn't like to bet on the success of any of them, wouldn't getting your body out of the Line of fire, followed by covering the weapon turning it on attacker ( possibly causing pain/ breakage on wrist, trigger finger) and then some sort of takedown/ finish?

    I also didn't really like the lack of flow in the master's movement, it looked very 1....2...3...4 to me.

    But don't take this as an attack, just mho. If you enjoy your training great!
     
  10. Thomas

    Thomas Combat Hapkido/Taekwondo

    I don't know the instructor or school in the video. And, personally I think the gun disarms shown are pretty bad. It's hard to tell much about a guy from a minute and a half video, but I would add some insight on the first bit of the video.

    In Hapkido, there are a set of skills (seon sool - 선 술) that teach a practitioner how to apply a joint lock/escort to a non-resisting person. The techniques are taught from a static position like in the video and then are also applied from the situations of walking toward the person (both walking) and from walking beside the person. The skill set works well in the third party protection curriculum and for lower level of force application. In essence, it's just a way to control someone before punches are thrown and are sometimes used in conjunction with police defensive tactics and handcuffing setups.

    edit - Seon sool (선 술) can also be preemptive strikes/knees/kicks, grabs/throws, etc - it is a different way of practicing standard techniques because you may not have an opponent's enery being directed at you through a strike or grab - it takes practice to apply them and they are handy in some different levels-of-force.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2013

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