Is boxing/muay thai less injury intensive than mma/bjj

I've got bad news. The Gracie family proved this statement wrong 16 years ago. BJJ is loaded with takedowns, pummeling, and grips, right? How else did Royce Gracie take down Dan Severn AND Kevin Shamrock? Key words: take down. Your experience and mine don't matter as much, if we're going to measure and compare people. "wrestlers" and "judoka", being classes of people rather than individual people, can't possibly sum up or be compared to the individual skill of any BJJ player. OR wrestler or judoka for that matter.

 

Of course, but MMA grappling is and always has been largely oriented with BJJ. The wrestlers and judoka as a whole never dominated UFC grappling like BJJ did. My point was that MMA BJJ isn't just groundwork. That includes on your feet grappling. MMA BJJ includes standup and takedown practice. It has to, in 2019 just like it had to in 1993.

 

He's not talking about skill set. BJJ guys will trash anyone else in a submission only format. He's saying that physical pressure of having someone lie on top of you is much more in wrestling and judo as it's a skill essential to pinning. Because we don't have pins in BJJ we don't really exert as much pressure on our opponents as we want them to move so we can then advance our own position.

Also, we don't have much wrestling or takedowns. The takedowns we practice are not done so under any resistance so it's fairly light movement and useless for fighting.

Royce definitely had a little bit more judo and wrestling and I'd say a lot of that is because he and his brothers trained from standing a lot more and they were also fighters so they needed it. Today's average bjj player has no interest in learning anything beyond a basic body lock that's taught to white belts.

Places that do have wrestling tend to also have MMA classes. The wrestling classes will always be less full because average BJJ guy doesn't want to risk getting injured or the hard class doesn't interest them as much.

 

"BJJ guys will trash anyone else in a submission only format." see, that's not true either. I get what he is saying, but what you are saying is "Royce definitely had a little bit more judo and wrestling", and that "Today's average bjj player has no interest in learning anything beyond a basic body lock that's taught to white belts. ". I'm not going to touch that last one because I have no idea what they all think, but I really don't get the Royce Gracie learned wrestling or judo and won UFCs. He learned from his dad, no? Helio Gracie was not a judoka or wrestler. Jiujitsu, right?

 

There have been various submission-only tournaments the world over and predominantly BJJ guys win. Craig Jones vs Sambo for instance.

As to them being taught takedowns from Helio, well you could make a fair argument that Helio was a Judo bb more than anything. There are a few BJJ specialised takedowns but they're rare. They also almost never come up in the curriculum except for when clubs run a once-a-week "self defence" class or the like. BJJ players spend like 98% of their time getting good at ground work. There are others who go out of their way (like me) to learn takedowns but it's often as part or a wrestling or judo class and not in BJJ classes.

 

This is what bothers me. Where did you get 98%? From your own POV? You're generalizing. "BJJ players...", and the reason I know it is because I watched the first 50 UFCs. BJJ players run into trouble against good strikers, I'll admit, but they don't have any trouble on their feet. The evidence is incontrovertible. There are so many good BJJ people on their feet. Royce Gracie, for starters.

Helio Gracie allowed a limb to be destroyed rather than submit. That's not in Judo or Wrestling, is it?

 

Well the first 50 UFC events were all before BJJ was even popular. There are not many top BJJ guys at the top of MMA anymore. Wrestling and striking are the current trend.

In regards to "where I got that number from" I suppose it's unfair to give it a number at all because it's completely arbitrary. I'm just trying to emphasise that anyone doing bjj in a casual way will never really train takedowns except for a few of the basic self defence ones we teach I.e how to escape a headlock. Some places may have competition classes that focus on takedowns and some might have a separate judo or wrestling class but in a a bjj class you are not likely to encounter any real takedowns under resistance.

 

Association fallacy - Wikipedia

This is relevent

famous BJJ guys are known for MMA
MMA is known for wrestling and striking
Therefore all BJJers are good at wrestling and striking

My cat has four legs
Dogs have four legs
Therefore my cat is a dog.


By blackbelt most BJJers will have some MMA and wrestling skill.

But most BJJers arnt at blackbelt, and they may not of even attended the other classes.

I've got a Judo brown belt, but it was really for being a fast learner, and using three throws into my usual BJJ game, my stand up still sucks, but I've still got more options then the average hobbyist purple belt, who doesn't also go to MMA class regularly.

 

Would this protector work at protecting my ribs while I train? Or waste of time I should condition my body to take blows?

Ladies Full Chest Protector Guard & Bra for Fencing Karate Taekwondo MMA Boxing | eBay

 

You'd be better by building up your core strength, and bracing properly / not twisting as you move as much.

Soft tissue rib injuries are a very common beginner injury, don't worry just train around it, strengthen up your core, build up intensity in wrestling slowly.

 

In regards to different disiplines. Youv told me to slowly build up intensity in wrestling, does the same apply to striking? Or can you do lots and lots of striking if you have the energy and time to train?

Iv seen a gym that does 90% striking but also offers 2 grappling classes a week.

 

You can hit pads as hard as you like but you should probably spar very lightly when it's striking.

 

Anymore. Aye. But ounce upon a time, Royce Gracie.

 

I disagree. Sorry.

 

Interestingly the BJJ guys who do compete in the UFC have far far better takedowns and striking then Royce ever did, because cross training is a strength.

 

Your at a good gym, with lots of classes available, you just need to place yourself, it won't take long to slowly increase the intensity, but consistent training is the key.

 

Aye, and he wasn't a fantastic wrestler. I agree though that guys today should be training takedowns a lot. What's the point in being great at bjj if you can't get them down in the first place?

 

Pull half guard, get the advantage for an almost sweep, and stall the round out?