Tendons/tissues, etc, are used in any body movement. To be honest I didn't look at Dennis Jones. Seen him before and he's hardly Tyson. I think the thing is when the word "internal" is mentioned, I immediately think of organs and stuff like that.
Organs and stuff like that may enter into some "internal" practices too.So you're right.Sometimes. Another example of why the meaning of the term "internal" is often more hindrance than aid when used in MA, as the term is only relevant amongst the practitioners of a given system, or among practitioners of different systems when the different systems use the same definition.
We use the kinetic chain to build power,Internal striking to me is really all about finishing the strike what you put on the end of the strike improving precision and the effect it has,creating more damage to tissue and organs.Here's a newer clip were I'm working on some internal strikes with my oldest student [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3t29_uzdxo&feature=g-upl"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3t29_uzdxo&feature=g-upl[/ame] in one of my older clips he's hitting me with a light snap on the jaw hope this helps
This is going to seem like I'm being rude, but I don't mean to. But I don't understand what you hitting a focus mitt has to do with "internal" training. I don't get it. How were, I don't know, lets say your kidney's, adding to your technique? Or your liver? Or whatever internal organ you used or wish to mention?
Well....I suppose in some ways the last clip could be taken from two points of view You could look at it, like I was the one training to absorb the strike in some Chi Gong body conditioning way or like the Systema clips I’ve seen where they are absorbing punches, sort of training to absorb the strike with my spleen or stomach muscles not I’m not doing that at all, it’s just hurts less when I breath out and helps absorb the strike on the surface of my body, something which if i get the timing wrong passes the surface muscles and is felt internally and causes a sort of spasm and is very painful .if you look closely when Keith is apologizing it’s when his strike has gone deeper than intended and how My body reacts more to the strike, hence the internal striking Rather than me, training to absorb strikes with my body, He’s learning and refining a few different ways of finishing a hand strike and testing lightly on me to see and feel the effect they have on me and what it feels like when it has the desired effect, then like with the stabbing hook he’s recreating the same type of impact/effect on the water bag, with the human body being "around 60% water and the brain 79%water " and soft tissue etc, I find water bags are perfect for this. Then I’m holding the focus pad on my hand pad to feel if he’s doing a harder version of what he trained on me and on the water bag. I find the stabbing impact on the hooking strike Keith is practicing is very similar to this clip of Bas Rutten and his Liver/spleen strike. And because of the mma Gloves it allows him to tuck the thumb in and hit with the inside of his middle knuckle, which gives more driving stabbing power [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tebQLmiZgLA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tebQLmiZgLA[/ame] these are the same techniques taught to me by Dennis Jones in the earlier clips.and ive found it can trained on the end of any punch or kick to improve explosiveness precision and ultimately has more chance of achieving the desired effect,and going back to the original OP i see this as why you get such improvements from punching with weights, again this is just my take I'm sure others may see it differently. hope this helps you guys
Most training directly related to organs is for health purposes,such as the organ work in Fu Hok's Iron Wire form. Some forms of training are supposed to have side benefits for organs but aren't directly related to them. Pretty much fair to say that exercises to benefit your spleen aren't expected to have a direct effect on your uppercut. So there's different types of "internal" training. If you wish to use such a term.
here's more on the same theme [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxgFWaIPJw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxgFWaIPJw[/ame] one more [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3tRM1YGNs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3tRM1YGNs[/ame]
Again, I'm not sure what people hitting pads has to do with it. What was internal about Bas Rutten's punch? He did damage to someone else, but how was it internal on his part? Looked just like any boxing, karate, etc, punch. Does he ever refer to his "internal connection"? I don't get what these videos are meant to be showing with relation to the "internal" thing. Who is the guy with the hanky on his head?
here's a new clip with Mat training to improve his understanding of different shockwaves,how each different shockwaves can be used on the end of the same strike,and a look at the ripping shockwaves which is the third and the most powerful shockwaves I teach and at the end you can see Roy using them in the self defence scenarios with the palm heel [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_U4NzwNRHs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_U4NzwNRHs[/ame] and heres a clip of a boxer using the same type of ripping shockwave to end the fight early [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsJH3_txX7s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsJH3_txX7s[/ame] Ive also got a short clip of some punching with weights ill put that up later,again this is just my take
Punching with weights is a good way to get a better understanding of how to deliver the first shockwave.like the paper training here's a short clip showing how we do it [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXE5Z4w3qi8&feature=youtu.be"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXE5Z4w3qi8&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
If you want to develop explosive power through punching with small weights they should be held loosely in the hands.Keep the body relaxed and throw the hand out from the core.Its a method I got from Steve Morris and it works extremely well.He developed it from his research into the Chinese Fujian systems.The Chinese use iron rings on the arms but the small weights,around 1-2kg in the hands work far better.If you want a better understanding of it purchase Morris's Morris Method 2 DVD as he covers this type of work in depth.If you hold the weight tightly in the hand its going to do next to nothing other than give you possible shoulder and elbow injuries.Think about it logically.What would you achieve if you had 3kg gloves on your hands and you punched the air? When the weight is held loosely its a completely different effect.
I find with the weights they only need to be used for a very short time,in the clip that's his first go,and you could see he already could feel the purpose,hes just training the little bounce on the end once you get an understanding of this you can train it without the weights,I also don't clench my fist at the end.I find this only slows down the strike and you don't really benefit from any extra power,sometimes the hand clenches just because of its position when I land,but I try to keep a loose hand right through the strike.Dennis learnt his way of delivering powerful strikes by judging the effects on real people,and its interesting finding the real reasons behind the older ways of training like punching with weights and punching paper.
Yes,a tight fist will slow down a strike.In fact anything that is tight throughout the chain will inhibit power.Hence the reason that holding weights tightly in the hands will inhibit rather than increase power as it trains bad habits. Some of the old ways are interesting but we have to remember that there are better communications these days and far more input from some very clever people.Take cycling as an example.The British team are outstanding and its mainly down to embracing sports science rather than using some antiquated training method from a pre-WW1 Tour de France.Captain Barclay was an outstanding athlete in his day and trained runners and prize fighters but I doubt if anyone would want to use his methods today.
So a clip of a western boxing practitioner supposedly doing an "internal" technique. (Not saying he is,or isn't-or what makes something an "internal" practice). As western boxing has never made claims to doing anything out of the ordinary as relates to physical mechanics this once again highlights the uselessness of applying the word "internal" as a general term across the spectrum of the various MAs practiced in the world. I mean,where's the line drawn? Goes back to my example of expanding the volume of the upper back.
Stumbled across this thread during a Google search. For anyone interested in this technique, I've written a number of in-depth articles about it. The links are all contained here: http://calisthenicswork.yuku.com/to...ndow-s-5-Pound-Dumbbell-Routines#.UCqZzKDAHyI The new book that's out is very good.
We've now gone from "internal" talk to talking about punching with weights! I don't get it! Punching with weights or on cable machines or whatever is nothing special. I see this in various gyms all the time. What has this got to do with "internal" training?
