Hung gar kuen, videos, forms, technique,documentry

The intention of this thread is to serve as a place to bring together examples of Hung gar so that people can see different examples of how it it’s done. Please add in examples of forms and of techniques, chi gung drills, and application that you like.

The principle forms of the “main” lines of hung gar are.
• Taming the tiger (also known as the I crossing form), Gung Gee Fook Fu Kuen.
• Tiger and crane, Fu Hok Seung Ying
• Five animal, Ng Ying Kyun,
• Five animal five element some (also known erroneously as ten animal) Sap Ying Kuen
• Iron wire. Tid sin.

There are also 1 or 2 lau gar forms passed on in Hung Ga schools.

There are also other lines of Hung gar such as Ha Sei Fu Hung Gar that have separate animal forms in addition/instead of the forms listed above. If you have any examples of these it would be great to see them as well.
The examples I post below are all freely available on the internet. If you wish to post your own material please check with your club that it is ok to do so.

I would be grateful if you could place comments about videos on a separate discussion thread. That way this thread remains a simple go to place to see examples of hung gar being practiced.

Thankyou.

 

Examples of what many would say are good expressions of the Taming the Tiger form.

There is legitimate variation in the way that forms are performed. There is legitimate variation in emphasis. It depends on why the form is being done, performance, conditioning, and so on. It also depends on the weight placed on different aspects of the movements, a solid root v's quick movement, Muscle power v's tendon power so on. Different teachers have different approaches. Over the years forms change, gaining or loosing movements. It can be helpful to look at different examples of the same form and to compare and contrast them. With this in mind here is a sample of versions of the hung gar taming the tiger form. When I look at these examples I look at the shared mechanics underlying the movements, I look at the shared movements and shared combinations and I ask myself how and why are they the same? I also ask why are they different. In this way I can improve my understanding of my own practice.



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Actually I think if the thread was moved into the Resources subsection which has been underused of late it would fulfil ToS requirements.

 

Resources section sounds good. not my intention to stifle discussion. More my intention to give people something to talk about just that it is easy for a thread to get derailed. and a set of videos from a representative sample of practitioners might be helpful in sharing understanding. This is why I asked that if people were going to comment on a particular video that they do it in their own thread.

 

Tiger and crane. The emphasis of this form is different from the taming the tiger. In tiger and crane. There is a greater emphasis on cutting angles and moving off line and less emphasis on low stances. This said there is still much legitimate variation in how to balance movement v's root. Because of this variation in root their is also variation in the angles of control and deflection in the hand techniques.

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Techniques at start form at end

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Hung Lau ga. In hung Lau gar the emphasis is more on retreating and advancing movement. The lighter the root the quicker the movement but the harder it is to withstand force. Again it is possible to legitimately place different emphasis on different aspects /of the mechanics of stance and movement. As shown in the examples bellow.

As an illustration of the differences within the forms. The Lau gar form is the only form that can be played in a tie chie style. It has a smooth flow through the moves that while it speeds up and slows down but there are not staccato breaks in movement, stance, or weight.

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Excerpts from Lau ga

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Thanks for posting. The first clip is Sifu Mak Che-Kong who teaches on HK. He's also HK cinema expert Bey Logan's Sifu IIRC.

This is a good HK documentary on Hung Ga

http://youtu.be/AZnrZcEKUMc

 

Maybe my forum fu isn't up to scratch, but I don't get how this is meant to work. So I see a video or some videos I want to discuss, so I open a new thread and say "so about that video of xyz that was posted in post number 123 of that other thread..."?

Tom, I'd be interested to know why you chose to post the particular videos you did to illustrate each form. Is there something in particular you like about each? Which ones, if any, are close to how you practice them? I think without commentary, you might as well just link to YouTube searches of the various set names.

 

all of these videos are of different interpretations of hung gar movement and practice. some are not to my taste but that does not mean they are bad, just different from the way I would do things.

as for wanting to discuss things - I would copy the url and post the video at the start of the thread - about this video I like this / don't like that etc. Maybe not so helpfull for the forms but more so when it comes to technique. discussions on the practicality of technique while useful tend to go on a bit.

 

Characteristic Techniques of hung ga. This is a good example of how the techniques of hung ga emerge from the movements. You can see how the stances are used to vector the forces of the movement while the hands are used to transmit the force. The height of the opponent affects the way that movements are used. In the last clip the opponent is much taller. some techniques are used to bring the opponent down to a lower level but some simply use the height as an opening to get under the guard.

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Some Hung Ga here in the middle of the video, by my Northern Shaolin teacher. No idea of any details about the Hung as it's not part of what's taught in the school, AFAIK;

https://youtu.be/4LtMQImJMPg (at 4:15)

 

Happy to await outcome of where to put thread before posting more. Resources would be a good place to move it to. Happy to re post in resources if required

 

First section is the opening to the tiger and crane form, the second section is opening to the taming the tiger form.

 

Just out of interest, is this purely Hung gar or would you consider Fu Hok, Hung Kuen and others as part of the thread? Some people are pretty picky about what's what as I am sure you have experienced.

LFD

 

Tom, the decision has already been made. The thread is staying here and you (or anyone else) is expected to add commentary to linked videos or accept corrective moderation. So please go back and add commentary to your videos, or we'll need to remove the links to preserve adherence to ToS. Alright?

 

Thank you for your clarification. No time to update today will do tomorrow if thread is still here.

What would be the correct format for a thread showing the different representative approaches to the different lineages of the Hung system in the resources section? A thread were others could add there own representative clips for their own reasons ?

 

I am thinking a broad non discriminatory church. I just think it would be educational to see a variety of examples of what different people think is good hung gar keun. Let the videos speak for themselves and let the viewer take what they want from it. So this would include lines and schools that practice only one or two of the forms but not all of them.

If you are in a sense asking the question - where does hung gar keun lie? - in the forms? in the technique? in the training? in the philosophy? in the application? can one practice hung ga if one practices only one of the forms or a few of the applications? Those would all be good questions.

 

The Lau Ga clip is from Dr Martin Sewer a student of Chiu Chi Ling. I have learnt some of this form (from another line) and its is chock full of useful applications. It's interesting to see the differentbranches versions of Lau Gar/Ga (NOT to be confused with the non hung UK Lau Gar) they are similar but have slight differences to one another.