How to use five elements power in combat fighting?

Discussion in 'Internal Martial Arts' started by feng, Jun 13, 2013.

  1. feng

    feng Banned Banned

    How to use five elements power in combat fighting?

    By Feng Mei, 9th degree black belt IMAF, 04/26/2013

    Wood power is elastic power which is tendon power which

    shape like arc or bow.

    Fire power is explosive power which is meridian Qi power

    which shape like triangle.

    Earth power is mixed power which is muscle power

    which shape like round or circle.

    Metal power is hard and heavy power which is bone power

    which shape like square.

    Water power is soft and flow power which is blood power

    which shape like wave.



    Wood power can kill Earth power.

    Earth power can kill Water power.

    Water power can kill Fire power.

    Fire power can kill Metal power.

    Metal power can kill Wood power.



    In combat fighting:

    First you need "test power" to figure out what kind of power your

    opponent use to attack you. For example, if the opponent use Pi

    Quan, Pi Quan is metal power, very heavy and will be killed by

    fire power, so you can use fire power to fight the Pi Quan, the

    Pao Quan is fire power, so you use Pao Quan to defense and

    attack back the Pi Quan's attack. If your opponent use Pao Quan

    fire power to attack you, you can use water power Zuan Quan

    to defense and attack back. If your opponent use water Zuan

    Quan to attack you, you can use earth power Heng Quan to

    defense and attack back. If your opponent use earth power Heng

    Quan to attack you, you can use wood Beng Quan to defense and

    attack back. If your opponent use wood Beng Quan to attack you,

    you can use metal Pi Quan to defense and attack back. Above is

    Xing Yi Quan power techniques.



    The same, in Tai Chi push hands:

    If your figure out your opponent use wood Peng power to attack

    you, you can use metal Ji power to defense and attack back.

    If your opponent use metal Ji power to attack you, you can use

    fire Zhou to defense and attack back.

    If your opponent use fire Zhou to attack you, you can use water

    An power to defense and attack back.

    If your opponent use water An power to attack you, you can use

    earth Lu power to defense and attack back.

    If your opponent use earth Lu power to attack you, you can use

    wood Peng power to defense and attack back.



    So feeling the energy style is very important in combat fighting.





    No matter use what kind of power in push hands, the push energy must pass through the opponent's body gravity center.

    If the opponent body is earth element power which is combine all five elements power together, you can use wood which is the elastic power to shoot the opponent's body weight center to push him out, just make your palms like bow, your arm like bow, your spine like a bow, your leg like a bow and your feet like bow, those bows can transfer your whole body's power like a archery action to shoot the opponent's body like an arrow out.

    If the opponent body is metal element power is very heavy and

    hard, and you can not find out the opponent's body weight center

    to Fajin, you just find two points in front on the opponent's body,

    and meditation behind the opponent body a distance point direction

    you want push to, so there are three points to Fajin, the opponent's

    body will be move out. Imagination is nothing with Tui Shou, the

    third point is you want push the opponent's body fall down location,

    I mean your push power should not only on the opponent's body,

    your push power should pass through the opponent's body to the

    destination location.

    If the opponent body is water element power which is relax body

    and very soft power like wave energy, you can use earth power the

    circle movement push through the opponent gravity center and sink

    down the opponent's body to the ground.

    If the opponent body is wood element power which is very elastic

    body energy, you can use metal power the straight push just one

    hand directly one line power to destroy the opponent's gravity

    center to fall down him.

    If the opponent body is fire element power which is explosive power

    body energy, you can use the water power to soft you body become

    very flexible and relax to cover your opponent's attack, then your

    opponent will very difficult to push your body away from his palms.

    Tai Chi five element energy push hands attack and defense:
    (1) Opponent ask power: Peng Jin(wood power) attack me? I answer his power: first use Pi Jin(fire power) to sedate his wood power, then use Ji Jin(metal power) to kill his wood power. (2) Opponent ask power: Pi Jin(fire power) attack me? I answer his power: first use Lu Jin(earth power) to sedate his fire power, then use An Jin (water power) to kill his fire power. (3) Opponent ask power: Lu Jin(earth power) attack me? I answer his power: first use Ji Jin(metal power) to sedate his earth power, then use Peng Jin(wood power) to kill his earth power. (4) Opponent ask power: Ji Jin(metal power) attack me? I answer his power: first use An Jin(water power) to sedate his metal power, then use Pi Jin(fire power) to kill his metal power. (5) Opponent ask power: An Jin(water power) attack me? I answer his power: first use Peng Jin(wood power) to sedate his water power, then use Lu Jin(earth power) to kill his water power. Peng Jin: part the wild horse's mane. Pi: hold a pipa. Lu: grasp a bird tail. Ji: cross hands squeeze. An: brush knee push hand.
     
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  2. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Feng Mei, 9th degree black belt IMAF, is he or she Japanese?

    The Japanese 5 elements are very different to the Chinese elements, but in this paper Chinese elements are used. However, in Taijiquan's 13 postures=Bagua and 5 elements, that is the 8 hand techniques, and 5 steps (4 directions and centre).

    "Fire power is explosive power which is meridian Qi power" sounds a bit funny as all the elements should correspond to the 6 Yin meridians of the 12 regular meridians of the body.

    Anyway, this is an interesting interpretation in terms of IMAF standard.
     
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    You push I pull, you pull I push - everything else is mental masturbation
     
  4. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    No matter how much that we have seen, we can always see something new everyday. I'll going to try to use my "blood power" on my heavy bag tonight.

    Thanks for the suggestion.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2013
  5. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    This is a good interpretation of BL idea of be like water, being passive towards being pull or push.
     
  6. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Punching heavy bag or working with weight is anaerobic and not aerobic, however activating the whole body is good for the lymphatic system.
     
  7. Simon

    Simon Moved on. Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Cutting and pasting from other sources isn't always a good idea. :D
     
  8. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    not so

    What about you push i step to the side let you go past and hit you in the back of the head?

    (5 animal fighting theory use a technique that steps of line [crane] against a committed liner attack [tiger])

    The five element and the five animal theories of fighting are simply a nomenclature for describing situations that commonly occur in fights and the possible options available for countering them.

    Not mystical, not metal masturbation either.
     
  9. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Interesting, as I google the statement of "Punching ...... aerobic" there is only one result as follows:

    How to use five elements power in combat fighting? - Martial Arts ...
    www.martialartsplanet.com › ... › Styles › Internal Martial Arts
    4 days ago - 8 posts - 6 authors
    Punching heavy bag or working with weight is anaerobic and not aerobic, however activating the whole body is good for the lymphatic system.

    Please advise what are you trying to say?
     
  10. Simon

    Simon Moved on. Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I'm trying to say that you have posted something that isn't based on fact, rather just something you've seen and repeated.
     
  11. m1k3jobs

    m1k3jobs Dudeist Priest

    It is possible to do both aerobic and anaerobic exercise at the same time. For example with interval training you are doing anaerobic exercise but buy keeping the recovery time down between exercises it becomes aerobic as well. Circuit training and Tabatas are an example.
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    My initial post was in quasi-jest but all the nonsense in the OP can basically be boiled down to exactly what I said.

    All you have done above is describe a tarted up "pull" concept or "yield"
     
  13. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    In the striking model, the "head on collision" that you deflect your opponent's punch and let his body to run into your punch/kick (A + B > A) is better than the "rear end collision" (A - B < A) as you have described.

    "If you push, I pull. If you pull, I push" only work in the grappling model.

    To mix the "striking model" and "grappling model" in the same discussion can be confusing. This is why the "push" is a very confusing word. It's neither striking nor throwing. The Taiji system had invented this word "push". It can be used in abstract way in order to avoid talking about a punch to the face or a throw over the shoulder.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2013
  14. feng

    feng Banned Banned

    I am American-Chinese

    Hello, IMAS: in here the meridian Qi is Yuan Qi which means body original energy power. And from preheaven Zi Wu Liu Zhu(meridian schedule) the Yuan Qi is from Du4 go up through Du channel go to Si meridian, Sj meridian and Li meridian 3 yang meridian to tip of fingers sent out. And from afterheaven Zi Wu Liu Zhu the Yuan Qi is from Ren4 go up through Ren meridian to Pc meridian, Ht meridian and Lu meridian the 3 yin meridian to center of palm sent out. http://www.latcmwellnesscenter.com/168.html
     
  15. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Thank your for your comment. I am no sure whether you mean you do not know the facts about anaerobic exercise, aerobic exercise, and the lymphatic system. or they are not facts. Maybe you try to something else, etc.
     
  16. Simon

    Simon Moved on. Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I'm the MOD for the Health and Fitness section.

    You figure it out.
     
  17. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    The anaerobic-aerobic transition is a very complex process. To make it simple, trainers or coaches usually work down from the maximum heart rate or the one repetition maximum. When you said it is possible to do both you really mean you do them in different intervals as in circuit training and Tabatas.
     
  18. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Ok, your "New thought of TCM meridian system" is interesting but it is very difficult to work the Bagua system and the 5 element system together. As the Bagua system or Yi Jing works on the binary system and the 5 element system works on the decimal system. Oh! and Yi Jing did not say Tai Ji is from Wu Ji. There are ways to get around the problem which are not very convincing, so I hope you will find your way.

    Actually in Xingyiquan, the 5 element fists are working on different Yin meridians but yours are more like Dao Yin.
     
  19. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Serious question - do you actually have a knowledge or skill base or do you just randomly cut and paste stuff you google? Your posts lack coherence and when asked for an explanation you are as clear as mud

    It's OK to not know things, really...but when you pretend you do but have very little to back it up you end up looking pretty silly
     
  20. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    A: You must be joking ...
    B: But you started it.

    If "blood power" could appear on the 1st post of this thread, what make you think this discussion could be serious? :D
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2013

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