Bruce Lee "barely" knew how to grapple?

I do not deny at all Kano's contribution to Judo the Olympics and so on. He was a great man, but he had to do that over the course of 77 years.

He did prove his skill I'm not here denying that, but he did lose a lot of matches. He was great for the Innovator he was and his dedication to adapting to what works.

I haven't rated Bruce Lee as a great martial artist since I was 13 or so. But I can't deny his influence on the world (rightly or wrongly) because he died young, because he was an Actor because he came out with all this "Mysticism" he did attract many Americans and a lot of the west to Martial Arts in general. His celebrity friends, his cult status after death.

Many a people started martial arts because of Bruce Lee and on their journey later on they discovered Kano.

 

Irony of ironies here. How many people started a martial art like Karate because of Bruce Lee's films and to end up in a codified system that used both belt grades and dan grades as a result of Kano.

 

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People's opinion of Bruce has no bearing in my opinion of Bruce. Why should it? He is an inspirational figure for me, but personally I owe far more to Guro Dan (who IS confirmed awesome).

Bruce is still an absolute idol of mine and that is all I need him to be; I don't need to know why mashed potatoes are better than chips to enjoy either.

And in any case Bruce Campbell > All

 

Yes I am aware of what Kano did for rankings, and Dan's and so on. In answer, I used to for TKD and my old Kung Fu school (although sash). I haven't attained more than a white in BJJ, and my Muay Thai class doesn't use any.

 

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I doubt it, if it wasn't for Bruce Lee's influence over my uncle, and him studying both JKD and Wado Ryu, he would never have pushed me into MA. He's even influenced a great number of fighters today.

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/bruce-lees-influence-mixed-martial-arts

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...asons-hes-the-biggest-influence-in-mma/page/6

The guy was hugely influential. I would also argue that a lot more, many many more people have gone into Martial Arts because of Bruce Lee rather than Kano. I do not deny the influences of Kano on my training either.

I would say though is Bruce Lee had more of an impact to the MA world.

Also not sure about this, how much if any influence did Kano have on Bruce Lee?

 

He created a lot of buzz for "kung fu" and mysticism to an entire generation. His ideology in regards to training, although not original in any sense, still introduced the idea to people who were new to it.

Afaik, he was one of the first to talk about strength training and shed light on it. He was about fitness and strength outside of MA, his 4 mile runs and so on. His experimentation was great willing to learn whatever he could get his hands on, Boxing, Fencing, Wrestling (arguable yes). He even talked about his Cha Cha Cha and how it influenced his footwork.

He spoke through his movies which attracted more people.

About his abilities, I'm not sure whether he ever claimed to be the best?

But if he did and some of the buzz around him being such a great fighter attracted people to the "cult of Bruce Lee" so they can train themselves.

I by no means am a Bruce Lee fanboy (anymore )

 

I am!

 

So we can assume by this that you've never heard of Hojo undō (補助運動) or of Morio Higaonna or any of his predecessors.

 

I did mention earlier "wrongly or rightly so" he influenced MA, even if he was the first to publicize it, I'm aware of training to incorporate martial abilities in regards to fitness and Strength before Bruce, but he was as you rightly say the first to publicise it. That was his influence.

I would argue he did change the MA world, JKD? His philosophy, and ideology although not original, hit more people across the western world than arguably any other. AFAIK (a bit iffy on the subject) he never wanted a JKD style? I have the tao of jkd hidden somewhere, didn't he want it as an ideology and a philosophy?

 

Think he was beaten (by several decades) to that credit by farmer Burns, Hackenschmidt etc, and arguably by Draeger in the early sixties.

 

Should have clarified to a mass audience, I agree with you. I'm talking about Bruce and his ability as an ambassador to reach such large audiences. Get people interested.