Awesome push hands video

Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by Fish Of Doom, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

  2. embra

    embra Valued Member

    Its pretty good Fish - he is just a tad more skilled than me. A very good example of sticking to your opponent, no matter what.
     
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Nice!
     
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  4. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    That clip is more than just Taiji. I have never seen any Taiji guy uses "head lock" on his opponent.
     
  5. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    and i've never seen any taiji guy punch or kick an opponent, but taiji has its fair share or punches and kicks ;)
     
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Praxis gives tactics
     
  7. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    One day I used "head lock" on my Taiji push hand opponent, he said, "No! No! That's not Taiji."

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  8. embra

    embra Valued Member

    I once butted a fellow on the stomach (and knocked him over) who was way bigger, stronger and more experienced than me in Pushing Hands "Thats not Pushing Hands" - ok but why leave a gaping hole through the middle? - against a midget like me.

    I was taken down in some fancy application, but the fellow's groin was a couple of inches from my fist and he was yacking rubbish, so I gave his eggs a very light scrambling - the yacking rubbish stopped.
     
  9. embra

    embra Valued Member

    In the vid, Mr Chan gets into compromised postures, but sticks to the opponent and finds reversals - not easy to do, but a skill to be practised.
     
  10. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    From the "head lock leg sticky" at 1.03 and "leg break" at 1.55, I have to say that he knows Chinese wrestling.

    http://youtu.be/MUf1llA3HXg
     
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  11. embra

    embra Valued Member

    Not directly, but I can see a Snake creeps down structure at 1.55 - Forms came from applications which came from techniques - this is why techniques and applications are way more interesting than Forms to me.
     
  12. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    The "snake creeps down" does not use "leg break/spring" power.

    At 0.17, his right hand wraps his opponent's left arm, a 2 points control, that's a 100% Chinese wrestling skill. I'm glad to see people who "cross train". It's a good thing.

    May be someone can ask him in person to get his personal respond. If he says that he has never trained Chinese wrestling, and all these skill came from his Taiji, I have to admit that he may be the smartest person on this planet.
     
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  13. embra

    embra Valued Member

    Chinese wrestling is in the syllabus of my Wudang TCC, but not many folk are truelly skilled in it.

    Its an area that I would like to see developed more.

    Mr Chan uses his lower legs to good effect in unbalancing his opponent. Again all in the Sanshou section of the syllabus, but not many folk really skilled in it.
     
  14. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    As I have said, if Mr Chan had learned all his skill from his Taiji only. I have to say that I respect his intellegence big time.
     
  15. embra

    embra Valued Member

    My Wudang TCC is essentially of Wu lineage, the same root as Mr Chan's TCC but I don't recognise him directly. As in a lot of TCC, there is a lot of variation in Wu TCC.

    In summary TCC is just so much more than merely Pushing Hands and Forms, its just hard getting there.
     
  16. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    I was quite impressed with this. Good find, I still use the headlock T/D in wrestling...even used it in Boxing recently. Just had to cheat when I was getting my head bashed in.
     
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  17. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Can we see some similiarity between 1.16 of this clip,

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    and this clip?

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    Also at 1.56 of this clip

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    and this clip?

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    Is it possible that Taiji and Chinese wrestling can develop such similiar skills?
     
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  18. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    The head lock is an excellent skill. Wherever the head goes, the body will follow.
     

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