but your purposes are not my purposes. and as relating to the majority of karateka, we fully agree that their training is not optimal for fighting. i do however maintain that the main purpose of karate training is to be good at karate. the training that makes you good at fighting is independent from the karate, just as it's independent from the muay thai, the boxing, the kung fu, etc. the styles is a collection of different principles that are structured in different ways, with greater or lesser complexity or convolutedness. the training methods that are associated with them are essentially an accident of statistics and of the specific history of said style, some, like most TMAs, have ended up concentrating on the principles of the style or sub-style and not on their application for fighting, therefore their general training has become predominantly non-fight-specific.