Why is there no 10th degree black belt in Kyokushin?

Discussion in 'Karate' started by MrReal, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. MrReal

    MrReal New Member

    I read somewhere that 10th degree black belts aren't available in Kyokushin. Is this true and if it's not then why
     
  2. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Mas Oyama was a 10th Dan in Kyokushin. Steve Arneil is a 10th Dan in Kyokushin.
     
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  3. MrReal

    MrReal New Member

    I know Mas Oyama was a 10th degree black belt. But I was just going with what I read.

    Is there anybody else besides Steve Arneil?
     
  4. rabid_wombat

    rabid_wombat Valued Member

    I don't believe their is anyone else. Doing a little searching, I saw reference to Steve Arneil's 10th Dan having been awarded by the general karate community of the UK for his service and influence on karate there as opposed to being awarded through the Kyokushin system.
     
  5. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Splitting hairs a little. He is a 10th Dan and he is a Kyokushin karateka. You'll have a hard time convincing people that Steve Arneil isn't deserving of his grade.
     
  6. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    Because no one since Mas Oyama has killed 53 bulls in a row with one punch knockouts. They called him God hand for a reason. Also you must shave your eyebrows and live on a mountain for a year.
     
  7. rabid_wombat

    rabid_wombat Valued Member

    Oh, not saying that he's undeserving of the grade at all. It just lends some credence to the OP's information that led to the question. It's not uncommon for a community or association to collectively award a 9th or 10th dan rank in a similar fashion, but it doesn't always come from a governing body or association solely related to the person's practiced art.
     
  8. GaryWado

    GaryWado Tired

    As I understand it, in most karate systems, the rank of 10th Dan is reserved for the founder of the Ryu-ha or the current Soke of the system.

    Well, that's the case with most Japanese based karate schools anyway.

    Trouble is, folk are running out of rank! See Master Ken!
     
  9. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

    Kyokushin has splintered into a bunch of factionlets, so it's hard to say where you'd look for "legit" super high rank.
     
  10. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    That's actually a really important point.

    If I had an honory degree from Wolverhampton, and a btec from Oxford, claiming Fusen, BsE Oxford, is a little misleading.

    Although Steve Arneil is a legend, so its a moot point in this case. But generally the point applies.
     
  11. Bloke

    Bloke Finally got married bloke

    Steve Arneil was awarded his 8th dan from the General karate community in the UK. His 10th Dan was awarded to him by the branch chiefs of the IFK (the organisation he is head of).
     
  12. Th0mas

    Th0mas Valued Member

    Does it matter? Anything above 6th tends to awarded for "political" or organisational reasons... In fact all grades are slightly arbitrary and are only really relevant to the individual's personal development within their own art ( and even there are not always relative to the other grades!)

    Once I attained 1st Dan i didn't bother grading again for 15 years even though I continued regular training. The only reason I continued grading was the pressure put upon me by my instructor, as a number of us "old guard" in the dojo were being caught up with the beginners we had been coaching to first Dan over the years...
     
  13. Pima mawashi

    Pima mawashi New Member

    Misiak a polish who.just created a new federation of kyokushin autoproclaime himself a 10th dan and I think he's not even 38 or 40 he created kyodoKyokushin what's a joke
     
  14. john_newman

    john_newman New Member

    "Nobody can achieve a 10th-degree black belt for this was a special honor created only for the Sosai (Oyama)."
     
  15. Pima mawashi

    Pima mawashi New Member

    Go on Facebook and look by yourself kyodokyokushin you will see
     

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