Token Strikes, too! Gryph, if the competitions you want is anything like Pat described above, then there definitely is precedent. Maybe one does not need to create a new competition format anymore since WEKAF has already been doing it. If it were only that easy, but yes--I would rather lose in a tournament using techniques that would win in a real fight rather than win in a tournament but get beaten on the street. I agree that it is better to learn methods that will save one's life than learn methods that will gain one medals. I just get upset when I see an obviously beaten-up person--one who could barely stand up, let alone continue to fight--win over a person who is up and kicking. I hope that future WEKAF events will not be like this and return to the kind that, although it is not "real" fighting, approximates real fighting. Anyway, Pat, I will look into the WEKAF competitions (and I suggest you do too, Gryphon). It's true, many Filipinos see FMA as just "stick-fighting" and are generally impressed when they see the various Wushu weapons and Samurai gear. What is a Filipino bolo to a Japanese/Okinawan kama? Or a kampilan (the sword of Gryphon is a kampilan) to a katana? Masyadong na-iimpress ang mga Pilipino sa kultura ng foreigner (Filipinos are too impressed by foreign cultures). And the fault is not confined to the modern Filipino but can also found in "original" FMA. Why else would FMA techniques be classified in Spanish? Also, that very diversity and complexity works against the FMA sometimes. I suspect that just as the Philippines actually has many related but distinct languages (not dialects[!]), FMA actually covers distinct martial traditions. Kapangpangans fight differently from Ilocanos, who fight differently from Tagalogs, who fight differently from Visayans and the Muslims of Mindanao. My Physical Education instructor in "Arnis" (he is actually an old style fighter) specifically taught us moves to defeat what he called "Moros" (Moors), all the while dissing their fighting style. What makes this interesting to me is that I have been reading highly favourable foreign reviews of kali. Unfortunately, Presas style arnis has become to the FMA in the Philippines what Tagalog has become to the Philippine languages. Tagalog is "Filipino", while Visayan, Ilocano, etc., are merely "dialects" of "Filipino". This has caused the neglect of many provincial styles as "Arnis" is associated with Manila while the other styles are just too "rustic" and simple, even uncouth. Of course, there is nothing wrong with Presas style arnis as a martial art as there is nothing wrong with Tagalog as a language. But I think that greater appreciation of the FMA will come once it is realized that FMA is a catch-all term for several distinct martial arts, many of which are still passed on by families and churches. Also, the connection of the FMA and Filipino patriots will help greatly. Few people know that Jose Rizal was an FMA exponent skilled in the use of a yo-yo in combat, and whose style seems to be a version of largo mano (his favorite weapon, other than the yo-yo, was a walking cane). Other people should also know that FMA can be used not only with "traditional" Filipino weapons but also with other weapons, such as the Western saber or the Japanese katana. I have seen a Rapid Arnis exponent use two gunto. And there is no shame in this. If FMA can incorporate Spanish terminology and swordplay, why can't it now incorporate Western and Eastern MA? The British financed the Ilocano Insurrections by Diego and Gabriela Silang (yes, a husband and wife fighting team[!]) against the Spanish. This was during the Seven Years War. So the Brits were influential in the Filipino fight for independence. I have read the British manual Hungarian and Highland Broadsword and I find its techniques compatible with largo mano. Why not have a Filipino martial art that incorporates British saber techniques? Filipinos have done so with Spanish swordplay, so why not incorporate a style from a people who in the past supported one of the more successful attempts at Philippine independence? I am glad to hear people describe FMA as a superior martial art. I think so too and I believe that one of the reasons for FMA's superiority is its compatibility with other martial arts. Practitioners of FMA should always be willing humble enough to learn from other arts, Western or Eastern. I'm sorry to be a bit off-topic at the start of my post, guys, but I hope that the second half is relevant.