What’s the going rate for private lessons?

That's why he said that he has done quid pro quo for private instruction.

 

How?You are saying it's not true that there are always areas where income is spent on a relative frivolity? If that's your claim I call "bollocks" on it

Yeah - like the fact they don't value the instructors time enough

If you are at that level then you don't do bloody private lessons at 30 quid either do you? Ridiculous argument

You stick to classes or else forgo unnecessary expenses until you can afford things or else you have income support programs such as KidSport or BudoYouth fund help out for training costs

 

Your class rates are more expensive than mine - mine range from $80 - $170 for adult programs and $46 - $115 for kids. Kids privates are $35 for a half hr or $70 for the full

In USD (versus CAD) that would be $61 - $130 for classes and $75 for privates (adults) and $34 - $87 for classes and $26/$52 privates (kids)

Make that GBP and it becomes 47 - 100 and 59 (adult classes/privates) and 27 - 68 and 21/41 (kid classes privates)

 

I think that anywhere between £30-£100 is fine.

Like others have said, private lessons vary because of instructor/art/location.

For instance I could pay £20-60 for a private kickboxing class in Edinburgh and that guy probably wouldn't be much better than me.

I could go to Thailand and pay £10 for an hour with a world class Muay Thai Lumpinee champion.

I would also say that it depends on who is teaching the lesson. Personally I'm very fortunate and my instructor is a multiple time BJJ world champion so if I wanted a private lesson it would be well worth my time.

On the flipside I know of other instructors who charge a similar rate and they don't have those credentials and I absolutely wouldn't pay for it.

Like everything, if you're smart, you'll get what you pay for.

 

Privates are always separate - I do occasional "gimmes" as a signing bonus, but no I have a limited time available to me so cannot give them away.

I wasn't suggesting that the rates are comparable in terms of what you get for it, merely that the costing is not dollar for dollar (or pound)

I have no forms or patterns to work with so every lesson privately is to work on specific aspects of how someone does techniques and is pretty intensive because of that.

 

Simon has had “virtual” privates with me - he seemed quite pleased so imagine if I am there what you get

Frankly what I offer is worth easily what I charge if you break it down to what I paid to get it and what it means moving forward for you as a practitioner but if you don’t want to pay then the classes are just peachy too

 

I only train privately due to my shift times and family. I don't spend uneccessarily and certainly don't waste money. If I had to pay more than the typical going rate near me of around 30 quid an hour I couldn't train. I would think anybody charging in excess of this probably doesn't teach many privates regardless of what they're worth.

Yes, all considered teachers should charge more but where I'm based they wouldn't have many bookings

 

Market dictates price but if price is the only factor in who you train with you could just do aerobics

I offer a Ferrari package and am not charging Ford prices just to sell more

 

I'm actually a bit surprised here, to be honest.

Yes, I'm sure the prices for private lessons are fair - and I mean that.

But nearly attacking a person here, because he thinks the rates are too high seems rather cheap.

Same with the slightly condescending: 'Well, if you're only a hobbyist I wouldn't teach you anyway' like-wave.

For example: Personally I take my training really serious.
I train five days/ week; with any luck six soon; plus seminars.
I also train kids, because I already couldn't afford the club membership: I agreed to assist training the kids and don't have to pay any money. Great deal for me and the only way I could regularly train at a club, that would cost me 25€/ months.

And now, sorry but, you guys come across, saying: 'Well, you don't take your training serious, if your neither willing nor able to pay our rates'?
Honestly, that sucks.

There is no way, I could afford that just like that.
I also could never afford Canada, never mind for training or vacation; I can't really afford any vacation.
No matter, if I save up - I'd be saving for years, for the latter.
I had to save a lot for MAP meet* and I only had to pay the flight, because some people here were incredibly generous.

*and I'm not sure I would have come, if comments like that would stand alone here (without other posts of the posters, that put them into perspective; I hopd, it's understandable what I'm trying to say)


Do I get a video game or a book all now and then? - Yes.
But I don't smoke, don't drink, don't party, pretty much do nothing, that costs money.
I cannot only to MA and nothing else to have a change in life.


So, yes, I do think, that income a person has, should be allowed to play into the personal statement: That's a hell lot of money, without that person getting treated condescending or like second-class-martial artist.
That doesn't change, that I understand why the lessons have the price they do, don't get me wrong.
But I'm still a but baffled by the form of some responses.

 

That sets you apart from someone who just dabbles and wouldn't practice what is taught to them.

You found a way around your financial limitations with a quid pro quo. You are willing to go the extra mile in order to achieve your goals.

I really doubt the "hobbyist" remark was aimed at people who show the level of dedication to training that you do.

 

You can look at it two ways
1) people paid a lot of money for what they learned and value their personal time higher
2) they have an inflated self worth its a buyers market if you don't agree with how they price their time don't pay.

But I agree there's a fair bit of passive aggressiveness here.

I have spent thousands learning both martial arts and powerlifting from lineage holders, ufc coaches world champions and I don't teach it personal to me,however I'm happy to give a free hour to a friend or someone interested in learning either as it's how my main kung fu teacher and powerlifting coaches have always been.

Look at the person teaching their qualifications and experience and decide if its worth paying

 

Maybe resentment at giving away time to people who talk an enthusiastic game but flake out because they haven't actually invested anything in it?

If you've got a personal relationship with your instructor then that is case-by-case. I was talking about approaching someone running a coaching business without a prior relationship.

 

Actually the club did that even.
I would have never dared to even think something like that.

I think I'm mainly lucky:
I have passionate teachers, that would encourage and foster(??? is that the correct term???) me and help me out, without getting anything from it, aside from dragging me along.
Plus: I realized, I really like teaching and I think I have that from my teachers as well; the way they treated me.

But they put so much work into me, aside from training, that reading the posts here, I get the feeling I would have had to pay them for it.

I'm not sure about the term, to be honest.
I don't live from MA, so I'm not a professional.
Is there something else then a hobbyist then?


And on a sidenote: I deliberately took my personal situation for it, as I can't talk for anyone else, obviously.

EDIT: Plus: I still think the rates are probably fair (I could only compare them with rates here, same with monthly prices. From my perspective they are ridiculous at times, because I'm used to our clubs ( as in "Vereinswesen"/ e.V.), so that's not my point.
After all, it's their job and they live from it.

 

Again, your situation sounds different from phoning up an instructor you don't know and asking for private tuition. It sounds like you started attending classes and then formed a relationship with your club whereby they wanted to help you out?

 

But the same people are happy to give time away for here giving advice?

I know several professional teachers who won't charge that much not because they don't value what they learned but because they want to pass on what they know