What are the benefits and drawbacks of Judo in your opinion?

Discussion in 'Judo' started by u6s68, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    After you have trained an art, do you want to test your skill against other MA systems? After a teacher had taught his student everything that he knew, he would tell his student, "Now go to test your skill as much as you can when you are still young."

    The 1st time that I caught a professional MT guy's roundhouse kick, I had smile in my dreams for many nights.
     
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  2. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Not really, no. If I learn baseball I then go to cricket to learn something else, not test my skill in baseball against a yorker

    Mitch.
     
  3. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    But the chance that you will have to fight someone in the street who happens to train the same style as you do are very unlikely. The 1st time that a BJJ guy used "pull guard" to drag me down, that was an eye opening experience. Nobody every did that to me on the mat before. In Chinese wrestling rules, if your body touch the ground first, you lose that round and the match stop. If I just stay in my own area, I'll never be able to develop the "alert" and learn how to deal with that situation.
     
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  4. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    The chances I'll have to fight anyone in the street are miniscule. If I want to learn to deal with that I'll be better off at a specific self defence class.

    For me, I'd do judo because it's a great sport.

    Mitch
     
  5. u6s68

    u6s68 Valued Member

    For me it's difficult to give up the idea of Judo for SD as it seems to tick all of my boxes: throws and grappling, some ground work, chokes and submissions, and decent opportunities to compete.

    I can't seem to find a grappling art to offer me the same with more of a SD focus.

    I understand I will need a striking art to complement it but I feel grappling alternatives like BJJ may not give me the same standing training and wrestling may lack some of the subs and chokes? However I am going to watch some classes to try and see if it's for me.
     
  6. benkei

    benkei Valued Member

    The self defence thing is overrated. You know what will take care of 90% of your self defence needs? Good environmental awareness and staying away from the three things starting with S:

    Stupid places
    Stupid people, at
    Stupid times

    Go to a good judo school with a competition emphasis, and you will learn the above things you are after, and you will learn to do them against people that know how to stop you doing it to them and aggressive desire to do it to you. Train hard and you'll reach a level of athleticism, physical toughness, fighting spirit and confidence fighting up close that 99% of the population doesn't have, which should be more than you'll ever need.
     
  7. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    The problem is they had to modify their game to the rule set, no one said judo throws cant be used in MMA, what is being said is it worth the time and effort to make those changes when there are already arts which teach takedowns that are not build around the gi (freestyle and Greco) and arts which teach submissions and pins that aren’t limited to just arm locks and certain chokes, a lot of which rely on said gi
    If you have ever done both judo and freestyle or no gi grappling you will see there is a huge difference between the two: Both technically, grips are different, the distance the fight happens at is different, what you can attack and how is different and tactically: the strategy is different (looking for the ipon means you sometimes end up in positions which if its MMA or no gi grappling aren’t that good for you, but from a judo point of view are great because the fight stops after the throw), pins that are great in judo where you need to pin for 30 secs aren’t that great in a submission or MMA environment where you want to advance to another better position and begin your onslaught from there
    Judo is a specialised clothed grappling style which has great throws, pins and submissions within its specialised rule set, yes you can make adjustments and use that in MMA, the question is if MMA is your goal is it worth spending the time in making those adjustments or is it better to start in a grappling game which doesn’t need to make as many adjustments?

    As for the strengths and weaknesses of judo well for me they are
    Strengths
    Great cardio and physical workout
    Teaches you how to fall and how to do so safely
    Teaches great throws and sweeps
    I actually like the limited ground work and attacks you can do, makes you concentrate on only a few subs and do them very well and attack quickly
    Doenst pretend to be anything other than what it is, a jacketed grappling art
    Weaknesses
    Hard on the body, (im almost 40 and doing judo twice a week for the past 8 months takes its toll)
    Limited ways to attack standing and on the ground, like I said I like this but I also still do no gi and MMA a couple of times a week for others this might be a problem
     
  8. u6s68

    u6s68 Valued Member

    Is that no gi judo or BJJ that you do?

    Also how bad is the toll on the body?
     
  9. u6s68

    u6s68 Valued Member

    Good to see someone with an avid passion for Judo.
     
  10. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    No-gi judo isn't really a thing.
    As bad as any contact sport. You'll take knocks. You'll have bruises. You'll wake up the morning after a heavy training session feeling like you've been hit by a bus. Then you'll take a shower, grab your kit bag and go back for the morning open mat. And that's why Judoka (and all grapplers really) are tough son's of Gracies.
     
  11. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    It really doesn't I'm afraid.
    Don't get me wrong...I loves me some Judo and it can have SD cross over in a number of ways but if someone wants SD training there are FAR better ways pf going about it.
     
  12. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    the no gi i do is submission wrestling, which is a blend of no gi BJJ and catch wrestling
    the toll is what is it, from personal experience for me the toll is harder than when doing striking or straight submission grappling, its easy to spar at a slower pace with stand up and to pull your shots than it is to pull your throws , and with submission grappling a lot more of the time is spent on the ground (which is taxing but in a different way) or on takedowns which aren’t as hard on the body, singles, double legs, body lock takedowns and throws etc But then I have been doing no gi stuff for a decade and stand up sparring for a lot longer than that so my body simply might be more used to the toll from those sports.
    But its nothing but tiredness and soreness which goes away with sleep and recovery, I imagine its no more of a toll than playing rugby for example. You get injuries as in all sports but most of them come fromtraining with other beginners and trying things before you are ready for them,
    Just try a class, don’t over think it, there’s no point over analysing every little thing and asking loads of questions if after an 20 minutes of actual training you decide judo isn’t for you
    Likewise if you turn up and love the training these questions wont matter as much
     
  13. u6s68

    u6s68 Valued Member

    What do you recommend?
     
  14. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    On MAP the general consensus is that if you want SD specifically (or any specific goal really) you should go to a club that does specific SD training or teaches a martial art with a specific SD focus or approach.

    If no such club exists in your area (they can be quite rare) I think the next best thing is to train in a robust and alive martial art (of which judo is one) where you can find it and then give that training some SD context by going on SD courses. So you understand what SD really is and entails (rather than what you will be fed by most martial arts clubs) and read up on self protection, self defence, fighting and sport martial arts and how they fit together. Any robust training with resistant partners and a good (but controlled and progressive) level of contact will serve as a good base for more targetted SD skills, especially a striking martial art (as that is a prime tactic for SD).

    Then take pains to live your life in a way that minimises your contact with violent idiots (something a good SD focused club can, and indeed should, cover but is rarely covered in a sports orientated club) and enjoy your training for benefits other than for a SD situation that may never happen.

    Failing that get a punch bag, learn to whack it REALLY hard from a natural posture and then work your 100 metres sprints. :)
     
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  15. Bozza Bostik

    Bozza Bostik Antichrist on Button Moon

    Perhaps a brief explanation of what SD training actually is might help?

    (Don't look at me - I'm eating my dinner).
     
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  16. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Sweep the leg.
     
  17. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Will Judo "firemen's carry" work in self-defense? When you lift up your opponent over your shoulder

    - "smash" your opponent's head straight down to the ground, or
    - throw him over the cliff (or into the traffic),

    that's more than enough to solve all your self-defense problem. It's the other person who has to worry about self-defend against your throwing skill.

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  18. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    I don't know Judo history. Are you saying that Judo was created with Gi in the ancient time? I know the Chinese wrestling was created with no-jacket in the ancient time from those ancient pictures.

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  19. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Judo was invented by Jigoro Kano in the late 19th Century. As far as I know it has always been a jacketed sport.
     
  20. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    So Judo and Sumo has no connection?
     

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