Weightlifting Noobs read this please!

Discussion in 'Weight Training' started by SickDevildog, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. SickDevildog

    SickDevildog Lost In The Sauce

    Alright, so you want to get in shape, or you want to get into better shape but you got a bunch of questions and don't know where to start. Well Weightlifting just might be the right thing for you.

    This Thread is deticated to Weightlifting, not conditioning/cardio...

    Wiki on Strength Training:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_training

    Types of Strength:
    http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthtraining.html

    I'll try to help you folks out a little, here's what I'll cover:

    -Goals
    -Coaches
    -MAP must-reads!
    -Basic Lifts and Bodyweight Excercises
    -Programs
    -Bulking Cutting and training for strength
    -Nutrition
    -Bodyweight Training
    -Some E-Books
    -More Links!


    Make Sure To pay attention to the Stuff that's marked red as it pertains to Martial Arts in some way or another.


    Where you are and where you woud like to be

    Before starting out on any kind of training regime you need to make sure that you don't have any major illnesses and/or injuries that might hinder your training, if you do consult with your doctor befor starting.

    Everybody has different goals and expectations for their training but there are a couple of things that everyone should be able to do strength wise:

    A Push up
    A Pull up
    A Full Ass To Grass (Ankles touching Hamstrings) Bodyweight squat or to at least parallel.
    A Half Bodyweight Deadlift
    ALL WITHOUT FEELING ANY KIND OF PAIN

    These minimum strength standards ensure that your body is ready to embark on it's fitness journey.

    But whose happy with the bare minimum anyways? So let's take a look at some other Fitness Standards:

    EXRX Weightlifting Standards:
    http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.htm

    Crossfit/Mark Rippetoe's Standards:
    http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf

    I'm not happy with my Strength at all till I reach the 300/400/500 standard, that means 300 Bench, 400 Squat, 500 DL.
    I'm 70lb away from bench, 25lb from the squat and 50lb from the DL standard, I'd also like to be able to Clean and Overhead Press my own bodyweight 220 (I'm at 185 atm)



    Trainers/Coaches/Performance Specialists or whatever you wanna call'em:

    Theres a bunch of people that know their stuff on the internet when it comes to training for your sport, in our case Martial Arts.

    We got some great ones right here on the site, these are our H&F moderators and members:
    Most hold one or several Certifications/Degrees in training related stuff (I R SOUND TEH SMART). One even has his own Personal Train business:

    Colluci, AdMcG, Cosmic, BeWaterMyFriend, Coma, and others like G-bells and IncredibleBulk (all very strong and/or smart mofos). So dont be afraid to post any questions or directly pm them, these guys know their stuff!

    Other Coaches that are not part of MAP that deal with, but not limited to, weight training are:

    Ross Enamait: (Strength and Conditioning Beast! Practices what he preaches.)
    www.rosstraining.com
    www.rossboxing.com

    Be honest would you wanna fight him? :yeleyes:
    http://www.youtube.com/v/0YFfy9lXFGE


    Chad Waterburry: (Guru)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Chad%20Waterbury&pageNo=1

    Alwyn Cossgrove: (Former Martial Artist and no nonsense guy)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Alwyn%20Cosgrove&pageNo=1

    Eric Cressey: (Has some awsome Articles on correcting Postural alignments)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Eric%20Cressey&pageNo=1

    Joe Defranco: (Has one of the best Strength Training Routines ever made)
    www.defrancotraining.com

    Dan John: (No nonsense straight shooter with infinite nuggets of wisdom to tell. One of the coaches that go out of their way to answer pms and emails)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Dan%20John&pageNo=1

    Mike Robertson: (Make sure to check out his Neanderthal No More Series)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Mike%20Robertson&pageNo=1

    Dave Tate: (Reading his stuff is a must if you want to become strong)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Dave%20Tate&pageNo=1
    (also check out his Company's Powelifting Website www.elitefts.com)

    Joel Marion: (Good Articles here)
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=Joel%20Marion&pageNo=1

    Pavel (The Evil Russian, nuff' Said)
    www.Dragondoor.com


    Coach Davies: (Renegade Training) Oldschool Training
    http://www.t-nation.com/ALSAuthor.do?p=John%20Davies&pageNo=1

    The Scrapper:
    http://www.trainforstrength.com/index.shtml


    I know I'm missing some, but that's what we got the mods for! :p

    Here's Adams H&F sticky from the old forum: (Loads of Info in there to keep you occupied for years!)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40033



    This brings us to the other must-reads here on MAP:

    H&F Resource Library (old and closed)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=82

    Spontaneous Workout Check-In (Old and closed)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50157

    Spontaneous Workout Check-In (current)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70066

    Two Reasons To Lift Weights. Plain & Simple. By Collucci
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54809

    Martial Arts and Strength Training
    http://www.strongerman.com/martial_arts_strength_article.html

    Weightlifting- The Forgotten Lifts (awsome stuff)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64731

    Strengt Program Design For Athletes (Ties in with Starting Strength further down)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59097



    What Lifts are important and how to do them

    (these vids/articles are no substitute to having someone there giving you live feedback, so please do your best to find someone that can show you the ropes)



    Squat:

    Dan John Fitcast
    Simple steps to a perfect squat (As Dan would say, dont confuse simple with easy)
    http://thefitcast.com/?p=108

    From BB.com
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=13263177&postcount=5



    Deadlift:

    Mastering the DL Part I, II and III, by Eric Cressey
    Part I
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1582703

    Part II
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1588392

    Part III
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1607555

    Mark Rippetoe Instructional:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8742504357597564963&q=mark+rippetoe&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0



    Bench:

    Setup, by Crossfit
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_RipBasicBenchSetup.wmv

    Body Position, by Crossfit
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_RipBenchBodyPosition.wmv

    Levers, by Crossfit
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_RipBenchLevers.wmv



    Bent Row
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=13263259&postcount=15



    Overhead Press, by Crossfit: (aka Push Press)
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_LearnPushpress.wmv

    Push Press Issues, by Crossfit
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_PPIssues.wmv

    From BB.com
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=13263259&postcount=15


    Bodyweight

    Pullup, by CrossFit
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/pull-up.wmv

    Pushup, by CrossFit
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_DevelopingPushup.wmv

    Dips (Bench)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7265332457974245331&q=dips&total=10340&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

    Dips (Ring or Dipstation, by CrossFit)
    http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_Dips.wmv



    Weightlifting Programs

    Starting Strength (all you need is a Barbell and weights to put on it)
    Bill Starr and Mark Rippetoe recommend you start off with Starting Strength and then progress to 5x5
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58907


    Bill Starrs' 5x5
    http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm


    West Side For Skinny Bastards II (build strength and muscle if you eat right)
    http://defrancotraining.com/articles/articles.htm


    Hammer Down - MMA Specific Training by Waterbury
    (3 part Program, the 3rd one still hasn't come out)

    HD - Strength
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1034530

    HD - Endurance
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1083869



    Colluci's Routine:
    Still need to ask him for the details, it sounds like a conjugated system, using Max Effort, Dynamic Effort (Explosive) and Repeated Effort (Lactic Acid training). Not sure though.

    Some other Routines to give a try are the ones from Chad Waterburry, and/or any of the authors listed above.


    Make sure you base your routine around the compound lifts, listed above if you choose to make one up yourself!



    Compound/Isolation

    Compound Lifts in Barney Style Language means a lift or movement that requires lots of muscles/joints to work as a unit. If that's not explanation enough then to bad so sad... j/k

    You'll stumble across the term alot with the authors listed above. Examples of Compound Movements are the Squat, DL, Bench, Pullup, Dip, etc.

    Isolation Excercies are mostly single joint excercises, they're called isolation excercies because people to try to isolate the muscle that's worked but that's not really possible and a big ol' Can Of Worms at that, you'll come across compound vs. isolation discussions enough once you start reading up on www.t-nation.com and www.Crossfit.com.

    A good guideline is the 80/20 rule where about 80% of a program for beginners should consist of compound movfements and 20% isolation excercies. (Not Written in Stone) As a weightlifting noob you want to do freeweights before machines!

    Take a look at the WSFSB-II (West Side For Skinny Bastards, article to see what a good ratio of compound (primary) and isolation (mostly accessory) lifts would be.


    You also got open and closed chain excercises, any excercise that has your feet touching the floor is closed chain and has better carry-over to atheltic activities than open chain movements.

    That means that the Overhead Press has better carry-over to the matt/ring/arena than the bench because you are teaching your body to use the floor connection to transfer power up from the ground and through the body.

    Rolling and dunking are excluded, heh. When trying to push someone off you the bench would have better carryover, that's why you're supposed to train both.



    Bulking/Cutting
    It's all about the Calories, if you're burning more calories than you're taking in you're cutting, and if you're taking in more calories than you're burning you are bulking. Now getting this right, read not gaining to much fat and/or getting catabolic and burning muscle instead of fat. This requires a bunch of reading, and a lot of knowledge, bodybuilders know all about this so check out www.t-nation.com and www.bodybuilding.com:

    Good writeup on the problems with bulking/cutting:
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1268956

    Calculators and Nutrient Database
    http://bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=NutritionCalculators

    Here's something to read if you think about adding mass, and/staying in tip top shape:
    http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/hardcore.html

    Use this to keep track of your calories in/out ratio: Thanks Cosmic
    http://www.fitday.com/

    Another one: Thanks go again to Mr. Fish
    http://www.kelpiesoft.com/applib/foodfile/



    Strength Without Adding Mass!:
    Keep your calories below maintenance, and you wont add alot if any mass, it's that simple.

    Theres a bunch of different kind of Strenghts, yet most people will say to keep the sets low, the weight heavy, and the rest times long. Sure this will be good to build maximal strength but what about all the other types of strength?

    You'll come across terms like Starting Strength, Speed Strength, Strength Endurance, plyometrics, etc. soon enough, just read as much as you can and apply what you deem neccesary.


    Dont have access to a gym? No problem, just do Low-Budget Training:
    http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/budget.html

    And one on how to build your Garage Gym:
    http://www.crossfit.com/journal/library/35_05_Garage_Gym_II-The_Revolution.pdf



    Nutrition:
    I need to touch on this a little bit, because it's a big part of living healthy, if not the biggest. Read this Article and all you can from DR. Berardi:
    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459493



    Bodyweight Training: (Ya OK I said it's a weightlifting guide, deal with it!)
    www.beastskills.com
    www.bodyweightculture.com
    www.rosstraining.com

    It's possible to build a strong and powerful body with bodyweight excercises alone, but as with most things in life it's better to take the best from both worlds, ie Weightlifting and Bodyweight training.

    Check out Ross Enamaits Never Gymless, if you're into bodyweight training, it's well worth the buy and got a buttload of info that you can put into action right on the spot:
    http://www.rosstraining.com/products.html

    I own both the books, and those were the best $60 dollars I've spent on training material ever.



    E-Books that are worth a look!

    Combat Hard by Diesel Crew
    http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/combat%20hard.pdf

    Functional Fitness Concepts
    http://www.crossfit.com/journal/library/USMCFunctionalFitnessConcept.pdf

    Charles Staley on GPP (smart dude)
    http://www.dragondoor.com/cstaley01.pdf



    More Weightlifting Links!

    Elite Fitness Systems
    www.elitefts.com/articles/Current-Articles/default.asp

    SimpleFit (Crossfit Lite)
    www.simplefit.org/workout.html

    DragonDoor (also is "THE" source when it comes to kettlebell training)
    www.dragondoor.com


    Marunde Muscle Strongman Training
    www.marunde-muscle.com

    Stronger Man Productions
    www.strongerman.com

    Mark Rippetoe Interview by EliteFTS (talking about CrossFit Total)
    http://www.elitefts.com/documents/crossfit_total.htm


    Bah this came out a mess, can you tell that I havent been to school in years? :D
    There's so much more to cover, things like intensity, volume, workload, etc. all play a part in your training, but you'll come across this stuff anyways once you get into the articles.

    I'm far from qualified, eventhough I am working on my Strength and Conditioning Certification, but this is some of the stuff that helped me get to where I am so it makes sense that some of you guys can use this info to your advantage.

    A bit unorganized but better than nothing, eh.

    Hope this helps all the folks that are new to weightlifting.

    Good luck with your training!


    (If you got anything do add feel free to do so, and if I stated something that's totaly wrong let me know.)
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2007
  2. pablo147

    pablo147 Valued Member

    very nice post

    sticky it! :)
     
  3. CosmicFish

    CosmicFish Aleprechaunist

    That's a damn good post. I agree - stickied. :D

    Edit:

    Do you mean www.fitday.com?

    Another good site for getting info on food macro- & micronutrients is:

    http://www.kelpiesoft.com/applib/foodfile/

    It's a legally free download of a very user-friendly database with information on thousands of different foods.
     
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  4. SickDevildog

    SickDevildog Lost In The Sauce

    w00t, thanks Cosmic. I was hoping it wouldnt go under in this section if people kept posting, but this works even better. :)

    editing some stuff...
     
  5. Prophet

    Prophet ♥ H&F ♥

    Bravo, nice postings. :D
     
  6. SickDevildog

    SickDevildog Lost In The Sauce

    Ya fitday is the one thanks. Adding both.
     
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  7. Gary

    Gary Vs The Irresistible Farce Supporter

    Really great post!

    I don't see any problem with this, if anything most weightlifters should be doing more bodyweight stuff.
     
  8. Suhosthe

    Suhosthe A dwarf! A dwarf!

    Yay! This is fantastic! :D
     
  9. SickDevildog

    SickDevildog Lost In The Sauce

    True, resistance is resistance to the body, I think people just arent creative enough to incorprate variety when it comes to bodyweight training or training in general. Point in case the guy at every gym that does the same routine for months on end or even years with the same weight and sets/reps, AND still looks the same.
     
  10. Gary

    Gary Vs The Irresistible Farce Supporter

    Haha! At least martial artists never fall into that trap... :D

    I was also thinking people who have used the lat pulldown every week but never done a chinup or people who can squat double BW but have never tried a pistol.
     
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    SickDevildog Lost In The Sauce

    Some Clubbell Drills:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g0VmrOGjVA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g0VmrOGjVA[/ame]
     
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    SickDevildog Lost In The Sauce

    Here's that Program I couldnt remember what it was about (Courtesy of Blessed Samurai)

    Sorry for not mentioning you up there I somehow thought you were Bewater and Colluci was you befopre he changed his name...:confused:

    Tier Training:
    http://www.itransforum.com/showthread.php?t=67
     
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  17. Prophet

    Prophet ♥ H&F ♥

    That has to be the best oly lifting tutorial on the web, period. I couldnt find an oly coach for the life of me, so this did wonders hahaha
     
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