Weapon woods

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by SWC Sifu Ben, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Well I'm in the market for some new heavyweight wooden training weapons, possibly some escrima sticks as well. I've been a fan of waxwood in the past but it seems harder and harder to find in good quality unless you go custom.

    What are your favourite hardwoods for heavyweight training weapons which can take some serious impact?
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I have a set of hickory kali sticks and am a bit of a fan - a great wood, not too heavy and very resilient
     
  3. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    I'd been considering hickory. It was good enough for the previous era as a nightstick so it certainly durable enough for some good hard impact. Where did you get yours?
     
  4. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    bahi or kamagong. easy to find baston/olisi (eskrima sticks) in these materials. pretty easy to find a variety of other things in kamagong as well (e.g., bokken).
     
  5. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Cool. Thanks for the recommendations gents. I've had several hardwood training implements break over the years and some I'm only now getting around to replacing. I wonder if I could get wooden baat jaam do custom made from bahi...
     
  6. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

  7. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Wow that's expensive.. and they're choppers.

    I think I'll be ordering these hickory ones instead
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    But there is some other nice stuff on that site I might order.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2015
  8. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    www.kalieskrima.com

    they also carry a fantastic bahi bahi stick :)
     
  9. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Choppers?

    Yeah, kamagong weapons ain't cheap. I'm fortunate. I have two pair of kamagong sticks that friends of mine visiting the Philippines scored on the cheap and then gave me as gifts. I don't think I could legitimate purchasing them at import prices. Not right now.
     
  10. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    I'm an ash man, myself :D

    If it's good enough for the Vikings...
     
  11. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Looks like nice wood. If I can get a nice pair made red boat style that would be awesome. Now to find me a custom maker!

    And essentially there's three common classes of BJD in wing chun nowadays:
    The red-boat style (aka Moy Yat style as he's the only one who continued using them) - these are the ones I posted which are much better for thrusting and which was a purpose built weapon
    The choppers - which are what most people are familiar with. Common in southern China because it was easier and cheaper to make. Bad for thrusting and requires a lot more gross motor to use. Derived from common work knives.
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    The modern choppers - the blade is wider at the end. No historical precedence for these and they're godawful to use IMO
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    There are other styles which are longer and some short ones which are thinner use by the fut ga guys. All of the ones which are built to be weapons taper to a nice stabbing point though.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2015
  12. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Interesting! I've never heard much about the designs of butterfly knives. Thanks.
     
  13. RidiculousName

    RidiculousName Valued Member

    Osage Orange is the hardest wood in North America. Good luck working it or finding anything made with it besides bows. Some traditional archery dudes swear by the stuff.

    I like the heft and color of red oak myself.
     
  14. Flying Crane

    Flying Crane Member

    Another older thread, but thought I would comment.

    In North America hickory is a good choice for impact wooden weapons. It is a favorite for things like axe handles and maul handles because it is hard, strong, and tough. Part of what makes it tough is that when it begins to break, the fibers typically hang on for a while so the breakage is gradual and you can see it happening before it simply fails and flies apart. It is my understanding that some oaks, like red oak in particular, fly apart when they break, often without warning. This can cause dangerous splinters that go airborn.

    I’ve found it pretty easy to work on a belt sander and have made several staffs and spear poles and hiking staffs from it, without benefit of a lathe. I just cut a square dowel from a plank, about one and a quarter-plus inch on a side, and keep turning it on the belt sander. Then sand it smooth by hand to a 400-grit paper and give it a finish in linseed oil or teal oil.

    Sometimes the dowell that I start with is longer than I need the finished piece to be, so I cut it down after shaping it and then finish the remnant into a nice short stick, maybe two feet long or so. Those could be excellent kali sticks and such.

    Osage orange was mentioned in this thread, I’ve never worked it but I understand it is very highly regarded by bowyers. I would love to have a bow made from the stuff.
     
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