UFC 77 Hostile Territory

Discussion in 'Fight Discussions' started by duderanch182, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    I'm not sure, TBH. The problem is that many of these guys have really sloppy clinch work, at least compared to Sylva. Totally textbook. Even his bob and weave is just unbelievable. I'm not sure that many guys in the UFC currently would even be ready for him...

    I've gone through the UFC Middleweight fighter list and no one jumped out at me screaming "I'll beat him". As a matter of fact, I saw a lot of older names who wouldn't be even remotely competitive. I think some of the newer guys could be interesting challenges for him, but they need more time to get better IMO.
     
  2. KempoFist

    KempoFist Attention Whore

    Cung Le's striking is clean and precise. They both use somewhat unorthodox for MMA style strikes, and they both have no fear of engaging in a trade. I'd have to see him and Anderson go at it before I'd determine who'd win the standup. Though there's no doubt in my mind Anderson would demolish Cung as soon as it hit the floor.
     
  3. callsignfuzzy

    callsignfuzzy Is not a number!

    I think Hendo's got the power and wrestling to be a threat, but he likes to stand and brawl too much; Silva would clinch & destroy him. Hughes, if he decided to step up, could probably control him on the ground, but would probably get KO'd or take a lot of damage getting there. A striker with a good chin, good reach, and who could stay out of the clinch would be a threat, I think, as Franklin was at least landing some shots before getting mauled in the clinch and against the cage. But you're right, I don't see anyone under UFC contract at MW who could get me to bet against Silva.
     
  4. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    that's also a dream fight... last time I checked, Cung hadn't singed with the UFC, so....
     
  5. Patrick_baji

    Patrick_baji Valued Member

    IF it hit the floor :p
     
  6. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    Uh, Sylva's not exactly a slouch in the stand up arena, y'know. He'd give Cung a run for the money, IMO, and that's where my concern is. We don't know what Cung Le can do on the ground, while we know Sylva's a beast.
     
  7. Patrick_baji

    Patrick_baji Valued Member

    ahm spell it Silva please so ppl dont mix them up with Sylvia.....

    anyhow of course he'd give a cung a run for his money. did i say he wouldn't :S?

    either way it'd be a good match to watch
     
  8. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    I don't know, since Cung hasn't been tested on the ground. It could be the best match in profighting or it could be a complete charlie foxtrot as Cung gets taken down and mauled by Silva's BJJ.

    I'm not going to put my money on some guys who's known for KOs and a limited ruleset which discourages clinching and has NO allowances for groundwork. PERIOD. If you don't agree with me, fine, whatever.
     
  9. Patrick_baji

    Patrick_baji Valued Member

    cung has fought in 4 MMA matches and is undefeated.
     
  10. Sever

    Sever Valued Member

    Domino is, however, correct. His ground game's completely untested - the only person he's fought that's known to be even a little tricky on the ground (Fryklund) inexplicably decided to try and stand with Le for the whole fight
    We've seen Silva on the ground; he's subbed BJJ blackbelts, swept ADCC veterans, KO'd people from his guard and so on. In short; we know Silva's good on the ground, we don't know how good Le is there. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that since Silva's had a hell of a lot more training and practise there, Silva's ground game's lightyears ahead of Le's at this point in time
     
  11. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    What Sever said. Untested, and probably not ready for someone who can eat BJJ blackbelts and ADCC champs for breakfast then beat up Thai boxers for lunch, especially when Cung Le himself has acknowledged that his groundgame needs hella work (Inside Kung Fu, a spring issue, IIRC. He was the cover boy).

    And once again, allow me to remind you that Cung doesn't play in the octagon, nor is there any indication he'll be signing soon, so please, can we perhaps discuss opponents who might actually step in the ring and fight Silva?!? I'm getting really bored with your teenage manchrush. Stop following me around MAP nutriding Cung Le before I get a goddamn restraining order.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2007
  12. Patrick_baji

    Patrick_baji Valued Member

    <<Personal Attack removed>>
     
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  13. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    And you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, so just hit Alt + F4 while the adults continue to think about who in the UFC could take on Anderson and win.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2007
  14. Sever

    Sever Valued Member

    The only person that's signed under Zuffa that I can see beating Silva right now is Paulo Filho who's in the WEC, but I have doubts of that fight happening due to A) the two of them training together at Black House and B) Filho will probably be disliked very strongly by the US crowd since he's not especially exciting (many of his fights are lay n' pray heavy). I'd like to see him fight Henderson, but Hendo still doesn't want to drop back down
    Interestingly, the UFC has got Ryo Chonan (the guy who leg-scissor-heel-hooked Silva at Shockwave 2004), but he's fighting at 170 for the time being. That could be a big-money rematch if they handled it right, but it'd involved Chonan moving back up and making some waves at 185
     
  15. KempoFist

    KempoFist Attention Whore

    I just hit Alt F4...all it did was open my system sound preferences.
     
  16. callsignfuzzy

    callsignfuzzy Is not a number!

    Also on the UFC building up a fight based on events that happened outside the UFC. So far, only the Herring-man-kiss-KO has done this. I don't even feel like they promoted Rampage & Chuck's first fight all that well building up to their rematch.
     
  17. Patrick_baji

    Patrick_baji Valued Member

    oh yeah cool, just coz I'm half your age means I don't know anything. yeah brilliant logic there.
     
  18. Sever

    Sever Valued Member

    Final warning: drop the attitude
     
  19. shift

    shift Valued Member

    Honestly there is no one in UFC MW list that I think can beat Silva.

    Silva has amazingly accurate and brutal strikes, he's a true Muay Thai fighter not a MMA fighter who learned Muay thai or a grappler who learned Muay thai. This dude is the real deal.

    I can only think of a few people in WEC who could take him on and only one person in strtike force (Cung Le).

    Here are Cung Le's disadvantages
    1. Never been tested on the ground
    2. Keeps his hands low
    3. A bit too fancy with his striking
    4. Never really been tested in general

    With that said, his strengths are ironic
    1. Neutralizes and reverses take downs very well
    2. Moves around the ring instead of standing still like a lot of mma fighters
    3. Though fancy with his strikes he's amazingly accurate and devastating like Silva
    4. He's Undefeated in more than one style of fighting, which does count for something

    Cung Le's ground game may have never been tested, but I've never see Cung Le not take preparation for a fight seriously. Notice he's never done a scissor kick take down in his mma matches...something that had become very instinctive for him in sanshou.

    With that said, Cung isn't know for his clinch and Silva's Clinch is as infamous as Cung's throws. Speaking of throws...Could that be Cung's secret weapon against Silva's Clinch?

    Hmmm....we'll just have to find out and see one day won't we?

    If I had to bet, I'd bet on Silva though...his game is all A's
    I don't think SIlva has met a good enough grapller/wrestler...cung definately isn't that person.

    I heard Cung was suppose to fight Frank Shamrock but Shamrock backed out and complained that Cung isn't ready for him yet. Sounds fishy to me.
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2007
  20. wazzabi

    wazzabi sushi eater

    where did you hear this? Cung Le has to fight better competition to be considered a serious threat. if the fight did happen, Shamrock would be the first notable fighter he's fought in his entire fighting carreer, let alone MMA. it seems like this guy made his career ducking the best fighters, and is undefeated against cans. he fought in K-1 USA, but never flew over to Japan, probably because he didn't want to lose to the best of the world.
     

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