Training in Boxing and Muay Thai with Post Motorcycle Injuries

Discussion in 'Injuries and Prevention' started by Hapuka, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. Hapuka

    Hapuka Te Aho

    Well, I ended up crashing my bike. I was taken to hospital where I was assessed. I ended up (fortunately) with sprains to the rotor cuffs in my right shoulder, achilles heel and my right knee is completely bruised up. I want to continue training but I don't want to aggravate my injuries.

    Sparring is out of the question for the meanwhile.
    So, what can I do? :confused:
     
  2. seiken steve

    seiken steve golden member

    Rest.
    Seriously I know it is frustrating waiting for an injury to heal but you'll miss less training now than if you try to keep going on it and make it worse. Plus remember, you want to be training ten years from now so chronic shoulder knee or ankle pain isn't going to help that.

    In the mean time time, read all you can about your sport, read and develop your nutrition, take up knitting or develop a porn addiction.
    Well just do anything to keep your mind busy till your back in action, you get the drift.

    Hope you have a speedy recovery.
     
  3. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    come on... think about it... your banged up (not that type of banged up - lol) so it's time to use your brain to.... REST. That's right... chillax. Training at this point would be extremely stupid. Listen to your body and employ a dose of common sense. Use the time to get up on your functional anatomy... you're going to need it to rehab your shoulders. Let them go to hell because you do something silly like trying to dive back into training and you could have years of frustration with a chronic injury.

    On the other hand... glad you're ok. Speedy recovery... use your time off wisely. :)
     
  4. Thomas

    Thomas Combat Hapkido/Taekwondo

    Follow your doctor's advice
     
  5. Socrastein

    Socrastein The Boxing Philosopher

    Is your left shoulder okay? If so then grab some dumbbells and start hammering your single arm strength on that side. You can overhead press, floor press, row, do suitcase walks (no heavier than your legs can handle of course, but you don't need a lot to stimulate the core effectively) Y raises on that one side, lateral raises, external rotations...

    Is the right leg the one with achilles issues? If so, it sounds like you might have a functional left leg to practice 1 leg romanian deadlifts, pistol squats, single leg supine bridges, step ups, and other unilateral lifts.

    If you give some detail as to what you can currently do without pain discomfort, that will help. Can you sit and stand without pain? Does walking hurt? What about stairs? Can you lift light objects with your right arm? What about over your head?

    Don't think about all the things you can't do; always consider all the things you still CAN do. I work with enough jacked up people to know that you can always get some sort of training effect, even if all you're able to do is static core work and isometric neck holds!

    It might seem like you're going to create an imbalance if you train one side for a while as your damaged limbs heal, but the gains you make on that side will facilitate faster adaptations to your other side as soon as you start training it again, which is a pretty sweet feature of our nervous system.
     
  6. Atre

    Atre Valued Member

    Source please? Asymmetric development has seen a LOT of injuries in the sculling community. Be interested to see anything that counters the view.

    @Hapuka
    Don't break yourself more by jumping into training. I've done it, lots of people have done it and it's always retarded - why get back into training 2 weeks earlier at the risk of delaying real recovery by several months or permanently?

    The best thing you can do to aid recovery is absolutely dedicate yourself to whatever program your physio sets you. Don't be the guy who skimps your physio exercises.

    Relax and take some time to learn about the physical basis ofyour activities if you can't actually do them :)
     
  7. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Interesting where the thread is going. On a side note for the 'don't train' side of things... what are you reading at the moment? If you're into reading PDF's (on the computer or iPad and such) then post up what you're into and I may have something that fits the bill. :)
     
  8. Socrastein

    Socrastein The Boxing Philosopher

    It's called bilateral facilitation, you can find information about it in motor learning textbooks (that's where I first heard of it) or you can punch the term into a research journal site and find abstracts on various studies pertaining to developing bilateral facilitation in various populations with an assortment of conditions.

    I'm not surprised to hear that you've noticed injuries corresponding to asymmetric imbalances at all. I tell my clients all the time that asymmetry is the biggest predictor of injury (no, I don't have a source handy, and I'm not going to dig).

    I never said anyone should strive to develop imbalances, but if you have an injured limb you're at risk of asymmetry whether you rest or not. Since taking time to train your healthy limbs will only help your other limbs when they're better, and most people won't be competing at a high level shortly after multiple injuries as the OP described, it doesn't seem like there's a very big risk for the reward.

    The psychological effect of simply being able to train and not feel like an invalid for a few weeks is worth it alone.

    While it's very possible (and common) for people to increase their rehab time or make current injuries more severe, it's also perfectly possible and reasonable to workout in a way that doesn't involve or interfere with the recovery of your injured limbs/areas, and to even get stronger in your healthy parts while your hurty parts heal up.

    Even if the guy was paralyzed from the chest down temporarily, he could still train his deep neck flexors to help improve posture and reduce excessive cervical extension. There's never a reason to stop training completely, other than a lack of knowledge of how to effectively train around your current injury.

    But that's why you come to a forum like this and ask :)
     
  9. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Which is what the whole 'core' hype crowd is trying so hard to get to and often can't get the word out or the concept across despite all the expensive 'core training' courses and certifications out there.

    Six pack + Crap TVA = lumbar problems = asymmetric imbalance.

    QFT
     
  10. cx4

    cx4 Valued Member

    Only since you asked...

    Go to class and watch. Keep the habit of showing up. Take notes. Look at the difference between the way the instructors move and the students move. Pay attention to the things you'll see that you don't see while training.

    Take some time to figure out who really has their stuff together and spend some time watching and listening to them.

    Training hard while injured is stupid in the worst way. You'll pay for it twenty fold a few decades down the road.

    Get rid of the mortorcycle. Most of us old farts have lost friends to motorcycle accidents. Someone else's fraction of a second of carelessness costs you a leg or lands you in a wheelchair for life. Or worse.

    Good luck with your training. It's good that you're so motivated about it.
     
  11. slickoneuk

    slickoneuk Member Supporter

    Glad your ok, I would rest but still try and retain your mobility. Rotor cuff injuries a a real pig! Make sure it is right before you start any heavy training. On a side not my friend is still in hospital, a 25mph bike crash, internal bleeding, perforated bowel, broken pelvis, broken left leg and he has lost his right leg just above the knee. You have all the time in the world, get yourself sorted then launnch yourself back into training.

    Regards

    Slick
     
  12. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Motorcycles always seem to have the most insanely lopsided risk to reward ratio. :cry:
     
  13. slickoneuk

    slickoneuk Member Supporter

    The certainly do. I sold my hyabusa a couple of years ago, people on the roads were just nasty.
     
  14. Atre

    Atre Valued Member

    Yup, very true. I should have clarified "get back into training" as "get back into muay thai" - getting back to the sport that you love as soon as you can hobble to training and then crippling yourself more is nay cool. Which is a significant risk when someone returns to doing exactly what they used to do before their injury.
     
  15. Socrastein

    Socrastein The Boxing Philosopher

    I completely agree, and I hope the OP understands that wasn't what I was advising at all.
     
  16. Master Betty

    Master Betty Banned Banned

    Ask the doctor how long they recomend you stop training then add 50% on to that. I've went back to training early before and while some people are lucky and it doesn't bother them, most people just end up making the injury worse, prolonging the recovery period or, in some cases, causing the injury enough stress that they'll never get back to 100% again.

    Don't be a goddamn idiot - stop training till it's better. The only big brave soldiers in the gym are the fools who'll never amount to anything.
     
  17. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Master Betty is right.

    Don't sell your bike though :)

    Mitch
     
  18. Master Betty

    Master Betty Banned Banned

    Damn right. They look cool as hell and I'd love to have the whole James Dean vibe goin on but I can think of other, less expensive ways of getting laid that don't require me risking death before I'm 30.
     
  19. Hapuka

    Hapuka Te Aho

    Don't worry, I have no intention of selling the bike. ;)

    For now I'm going to rest up, soon I'll return to training but there will be no sparring, or using my right arm for a while. Not until its fulled healed.
     
  20. SAMA-UK

    SAMA-UK the Mr Bean of Wado!

    Have you used the down time to fix the bike? :D
     

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