Tonight, I discovered O Guruma

Discussion in 'Judo' started by TheMightyMcClaw, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. TheMightyMcClaw

    TheMightyMcClaw Dashing Space Pirate

    So tonight, while rolling no-gi at BJJ, I think I accidentally O Guruma'd someone. I had a whizzer on one arm and control of his other bicep, and was going for a Shinya Aoki-style no-gi Harai Goshi. It seems I put my leg too high, because he flipped over my thigh 360 degrees. It was a thing of beauty. At the appex of the through, his feet were pointed straight at the ceiling.
    The weird part is, I've never been taught O Guruma, and never really understood how it worked. The throw I did may in fact not be O Guruma at all, and I'm using the name erroneously. But whatever it was, it was amazing, and I want to do it again.
    I just thought I'd share that little story, and try to breath some life into our Judo forum.
     
  2. doc97

    doc97 Valued Member

    Ah yes, a good throw is a thing of wonder!!! :)
     
  3. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

  4. TheMightyMcClaw

    TheMightyMcClaw Dashing Space Pirate

    I find it strange how some incredibly similar throws are differentiated (such as O Guruma and Harai Goshi, or a lot of things that end with "Ashi berai"), and other throws (such as kata guruma) have a huge number of variants. Can we like, petition the Kodokan to make standing kata guruma and kneeling kata guruma different throws?
     
  5. Garibaldi

    Garibaldi Valued Member

    O guruma & harai goshi only look similar. the method of throwing is actually quite different. Harai goshi uses a sweeping action to knock the legs from under uke whereas there is no sweeping action with O guruma - the leg is used to block the forward momentum and uke is "wheeled" over the leg. Different principles therefore different technique and name.

    kata guruma and kneeling kata guruma is exactly the same action hence its just a variation.
     
  6. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

    To back up what Garibaldi said (I was kidding before) If you read "Kodokan Judo Throwing Techniques" by Toshiro Daigo you can understand where a lot of the distinctions come from despite the way they seem similar, and you can see why the classification is the way it is and it does make some sense.

    I think the most artificial distinction you see in Judo is the one between osotto gari, osoto otoshi and osoto guruma and even then you can see the rational behind the distinction, it's just not a major influence on the technique as used in competition.

    http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/osotoguruma.htm

    http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/osotootoshi.htm

    http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/osotogari.htm
     
  7. TheMightyMcClaw

    TheMightyMcClaw Dashing Space Pirate

    I'll add that one to my reading list.
     
  8. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

    Only really worth it if your looking for a catalogue of Judo throws, if you want stuff thats more competition oriented theres better stuff out there.
     
  9. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

    Would you mind posting links to some of that other stuff?

    Cheers. :)
     
  10. Garibaldi

    Garibaldi Valued Member

  11. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

  12. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

    For free online advice I think you probably can't beat http://judoforum.com/ though occasionally reading the Department of Homeland Security on Bullshido is good too.

    Other than that, if you have a particular technique you show an aptitude for then there's almost certainly a book on it that's worth buying in the Judo master-class series.
     
  13. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

    OK, cheers Slindsay. :)

    I'm already a member at Judoforum, but I haven't really used it much yet.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2007

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