Someone on MAP recently referred to Judo hold downs being techniques that might have been employed "on the battlefield by Samurai"!! Albeit slightly naive, I think this comment shows that many sporting Judoka think of a pin as "ending" a fight in the context of competition scoring. I think when originally taught by Kano his intention was that they were a transitional technique before using shime-waza (chokes) or kansetsu-waza (arm bars/locks). I always look for the opportunity to develop a pin to a submission in my training but not alot of instructors teach students this mindset. IMO its really the whole point of osae-komi. Any thoughts? Anyone know of any web links with examples showing the transition from pin to submission?