The Birth of Jeet Kune Do and How it Grew Into the Ultimate Fighting System

Yohan · Jun 29, 2011

????

focused_rage · Jun 29, 2011

also not to mention any one in MA of any sort has regular access to the magazine by ether having a subscription or one of the students they know or there instructor will, its a common magazine to see in any dojo's lobby....

focused_rage · Jun 29, 2011

but she most defiantly is an advertiser i found her name on quite a few MA forums posting the same thing but i think its a good thing we need real advertisement to counter all the frauds so no one is being cheated out of there money and time.

ap Oweyn · Jul 1, 2011

focused_rage said: ↑

but she most defiantly is an advertiser i found her name on quite a few MA forums posting the same thing but i think its a good thing we need real advertisement to counter all the frauds so no one is being cheated out of there money and time.
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Advertisers pay to have their products featured on the site. That's how it works. And advertising is a completely miserable counterbalance to frauds anyway. For reasons I'd assume were fairly obvious.

As far as complaining, I'd ask you to quote where I complained about JKD being misrepresented. I'll wager you come up empty.

Sheever · Jul 1, 2011

anybody could post some useful legstrike-takedown videos pls?

ladywarrior · Jul 6, 2011

No I am not a rep. Just a fan of JKD that's all

Pat OMalley said: ↑

She's not a sales rep for the magazine by any chance?

Mmmm!

Beat regards

Pat
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Hannibal · Jul 6, 2011

To be fair I don't think Black Belt would need to have a rep petition our forum for sales!

Sheever · Jul 9, 2011

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Yohan · Jul 11, 2011

ladywarrior said: ↑

No I am not a rep. Just a fan of JKD that's all
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BS. You posted a blatant ad for the magazine. How are you not repping for BBM?

You posted a link to the first article, then a link to an advertisement to buy the magazine that had the second article.

You started this thread to advertise this article. You are representing BBM whether you are doing it professionally or for free.

ladywarrior · Jul 15, 2011

Just to be clear, I am not a BBM rep. All I wanted to do was share the article about How Jeet Kune Do Became the Ultimate Martial Art. It was a two part article...I'm a JKD fan, that's all. :hat:

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BS. You posted a blatant ad for the magazine. How are you not repping for BBM?

You posted a link to the first article, then a link to an advertisement to buy the magazine that had the second article.

You started this thread to advertise this article. You are representing BBM whether you are doing it professionally or for free.
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Hannibal · Jul 15, 2011

Harinder is by far one of the strongest JKD guys out there IMO - and he is a good friend too which helps!

Yohan · Jul 18, 2011

ladywarrior said: ↑

Just to be clear, I am not a BBM rep. All I wanted to do was share the article about How Jeet Kune Do Became the Ultimate Martial Art. It was a two part article...I'm a JKD fan, that's all. :hat:
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No, you posted a link to BBM magazine. If you wanted to share the article, then why didn't you share the second part of the article?

This is a bold faced lie. You said you wanted to share the article.

If you wanted to share the article, you would have shared the article.

You didn't share the article, you shared half the article and an advertisement for BBM, which contains the second half.

Thus, you must be lying.

And by deduction, you must have wanted to advertise for BBM, because that's what you did.

So we are left with conjecture about your true motives for posting half of the article and a link to an advertisement about black belt magazine. You must be motivated to advertise for them for some reason. Either you are a rep, or an employee of BBM.

Yohan · Jul 18, 2011

ladywarrior said: ↑

No I am not a rep. Just a fan of JKD that's all
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Let's assume you are not a rep - why did you post a link to a BBM article?

Hannibal · Jul 18, 2011

Because it's is a good article?

Just saying that's all.........

focused_rage · Jul 29, 2011

i been gone for a month so what did i miss??? lol

Hannibal · Aug 7, 2011

This article generated this response from Chris Kent:

http://www.brucelee.com/site/blog/bruce-lees-jeet-kune-do-a-discussion/

Understanding the True Nature of JKD
Written by Chris Kent

Some of the people who read this article will not like it. It may upset them or disrupt their status quo. But as the old saying goes, “Often, it is easier to tell people what they want to hear than what they need to know.” In my over 37 years of involvement in Jeet Kune Do, it seems that at certain times it becomes necessary to educate (or in some cases, re-educate) people with regard to the true nature of Jeet Kune Do.

We need to get one thing clear at the outset. There is no universally-accepted definition of “Jeet Kune Do.” Saying “JKD is Bruce Lee’s martial art” is merely a statement, not a definition. Saying JKD is “Bruce Lee’s own personal expression of martial art” is even more confusing, because if that is the case, no one else could do it except Bruce Lee himself. Calling Jeet Kune Do an ‘idea’ or a ‘concept’ is nebulous and does nothing to help an individual understand the art. Having said this, I cautiously offer the reader my personal definition of Jeet Kune Do. Concerning the physical component, Jeet Kune Do is “a principle-centered training process to cultivate the ability to express the human body in combative form without any restriction or confinement..” It’s about cultivating your body as a martial ‘instrument’ and expressing yourself with the highest degree of efficiency and effectiveness and with total freedom in combat. With regard to the philosophical component, Jeet Kune Do is, “a fluid set of operating principles to help you live your life at the pinnacle of developed potential.”

Every few years some new phraseology pops up on the JKD scene. Some new prefix or suffix is attached to the name Jeet Kune Do (which usually ends up being little more than an attempt by a person or group to carve out a niche for themselves in the burgeoning JKD market, and support their own agenda). Throughout the years we have seen terms such as “Original JKD”, “JKD Concepts”, “Chinatown JKD”, Old School JKD”, “Functional JKD”, “Pure JKD”, “True JKD”, and “Contemporary JKD” become part of the JKD world. My concern is not with the names put forth by any individuals or groups. My concern is with the misperceptions concerning JKD that continue to flourish as a result of material that is put forth concerning the art.

Bruce Lee — the starting point
To comprehend the true nature of JKD, one has to first understand the “root” of the art. The root of Jeet Kune Do was not, as many believe, Wing Chun Gung Fu. While Wing Chun may have served as a launching platform for Lee’s martial endeavors, it was merely the first martial art Lee studied in depth. The “root” of Jeet Kune Do was Bruce Lee himself. It was what lay between Bruce Lee’s ears that made him so good. It was his mind and his thought processes that allowed him to actualize his potential as a martial artist.

Lee’s way of thinking directed him to search for the fundamental truth or “essence” underlying efficient human movement in combat. And when he did, he looked to science rather than tradition, to “motion” rather than “style”; spending thousands of hours training, researching and investigating various forms of martial arts as well as human anatomy, physiology, kinesiology and physics. Lee was interested in what made for a more efficient kick or punch, not where it came from. According to Dan Inosanto, Lee used to tell him, “Dan, if you understand it and can use it, it belongs to no one; it’s yours.” And if Lee absorbed something into his structure, it simply became a part of his personal combative arsenal.

Bruce Lee’s attitude and point of view toward martial arts changed considerably through the years, from the time he began his training in Wing Chun gung fu, past the time when he initially conceived of the idea of developing the “ultimate” gung fu system, beyond the time when he named what he was doing “Jeet Kune Do, all the way up to when, shortly before his passing away, he was throwing things away and getting rid of the idea of “styles” and “methods” altogether. To understand JKD you’ve got to look at the entire process in its totality. You cannot stop and memorialize any specific point along the way (the “Seattle era”, the Los “Angeles era”, the “1967-1969 period”, etc.) and say “This is what JKD is all about.”

It’s all about “Totality”
Since its creation, Jeet Kune Do has always been about “totality.” Yet the latest element to be put forth for inclusion in JKD is the use of certain techniques and tactics that are considered “dirty” or “filthy” in order to make the art more up-to-date and more combat-effective. These techniques and tactics include such things as biting, eye gouging, pinching, etc. The message (and misperception) that is being presented to the martial art public is that these elements did not exist in JKD before they were added in by these people. This is a fallacy.

I am fortunate to have copies of Lee’s seven-volume “Commentaries on the Martial Way” (both original and typed versions). The following notes are taken directly from Volume 7. This particular volume was laid out more as a personal training journal as compared to the others, which were comprised mainly of notes drawn from various research sources. For this reason at the top of a page you will see written such things as “Research Notes for November 12 (Thurs.) 1970.”

# Specialized All-in Fighting
1) poking eyes
2) pulling hair — as immobilization, as release, as assist
3) biting — as release to disable and to attack in close
4) practice forearm pinching to hurt
5) grabbing groin
6) specialize in under belt attack with kicks, strikes, punches, and grappling

# Let “body feel” on the forearm as a destructive weapon (use as loose club snap or club) alongside with elbowing.

# Look into breaking the joint and limbs:
breaking by
a) directed kicking — thrust kick, push thrust, snap kick
b) directed striking
c) limb locks by pressure

# Practice relaying inverted bottom fist to groin or “downed” opponent alongside

# Practice relaying snapping forearm smash — add to tools possibility

# Investigate into butting:-
1) with head
2) with hips and buttocks
3) with shoulder

# Investigate --
a) elbowing
b) kneeing

# Investigate into fighting from ground --
1) as attack into opponent
2) as counter
3) using legs mainly
4) using legs and hand

(develop such mastery that one can fight safely from the ground)

# Investigate into clawing with attempt to tear apart the
a) throat
b) groin
c) hair

I have included more of Lee’s notes regarding pinching, biting and eye gouging, etc. so that the reader can get a better sense of the actual “totality in combat” that Lee was striving for.

It is clear to see that the so-called ‘latest” or “new” JKD techniques (as well as numerous other so-called “dirty” techniques) were listed as part of Lee’s combative arsenal over forty years ago. The fact that individuals may not have been aware that such material or techniques existed in JKD or was part of the totality of JKD may be due in part to the fact that much of Lee’s written material was not accessible to the public, including many JKD practitioners, until the Bruce Lee Library Series was published in the late 1990’s. Because many of these things were listed in Lee’s journal as personal “investigations”, they were not included as part of the general JKD curriculum which was taught in the classes. However, knowledge of them was made known to me as well as other JKD practitioners who trained under Dan Inosanto as far back as the early 1970’s. For example, on numerous occasions Dan discussed Lee’s incredible forearm and grip strength and his use of pinching and grabbing an opponent. This was not done from the perspective of a “JKD pinch” or a “Filipino Kali pinch”, or a “whatever pinch”, but simply from the perspective of “pinching.” Did we ever have a class on various schools of pinching? No. If you look at the book “Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do — The Textbook”, which was written by Tim Tackett and myself in 1988, you will find actions such as biting, pinching, eye gouging listed as dirty fighting under the basic elements of attack.

This leads to questions such as what type of JKD a person was originally exposed to in their training? What was the attitude or mind-set they learned with regard to the overall structure of JKD? What was included in the curriculum they were taught? Were they, for instances, simply taught various kickboxing, boxing and hand-trapping elements as the sum total of JKD? Again, in Lee’s notes in his Commentaries on the Martial Way, he wrote:

The importance of fluidity in inter-changing of:
1) Hitting/kicking
2) Grappling/throwing
3) Joint locks
a) standing
b) on the ground
c) immobilizing techniques for — (1) arms (2) legs

So my question is, what part of the “totality” of JKD do people still not get? Furthermore, how do you evolve totality? The answer is that you can’t. You may be able to improve your own knowledge and understanding of elements within it, but if something is “omni” or “all”, you can’t get beyond that. It’s like trying to go beyond 100%.

Getting rid of “Styles” and “Labels”
We often read and hear about how JKD is supposedly all about getting rid of the whole notion or idea of styles, etc. Then along comes a member of the JKD community who writes about how the evolution of JKD requires combining “original” JKD with Thai Boxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and lists off a bunch of other combative styles you might also want to toss into the mix. In an article which appeared recently in a martial art publication, the author, who is a noted JKD instructor, made the statement, “The conclusions we discovered in our JKD classes are identical to the conclusions the MMA world has discovered: Ninety-five percent of the techniques you need for one-on-one empty hand combat come from two arts; Thai Boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Once you have the foundation in Thai Boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, you should spice up your game by throwing in other styles.”

Let’s attempt to deal, once and for all, with the issue of “styles” as they relate to Jeet Kune Do. Oftentimes, when I am with someone who is observing a JKD training session, depending upon what they are watching, I hear comments such as, “He’s doing Wing Chun” — “He’s doing Thai Boxing” — “He’s doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu”, etc. The problem is that the people who make these comments are still hung up on “styles” and labeling what they see as being from “this” style or “that” style. They are locked into categorizing and labeling everything they see, even down to the current label du jour, “He’s doing MMA.” When it comes to JKD, an individual expresses themselves using whatever technique or action they choose to use at the moment. At times what they do may resemble Thai Boxing or Savate, at other times it might look like Wing Chun Gung Fu or Ju Jitsu, etc. Self-expression doesn’t mean that everyone will look totally different or move in a completely different way. That’s impossible in any endeavor or activity. Similarities will always appear because efficient human movement in combat is just that, moving efficiently.

While Lee drew what he referred to as “essences” from diverse forms of combat, both Eastern and Western (and many times these essences were such things as speed, power, economy of motion, etc. as opposed to merely techniques), he did not keep the names of the sources attached to what he was doing. He did not, for example, tell his students, “Okay, now we’re doing this punch, which comes from Western boxing” — “Now we’re going to do this footwork, which comes from Western Fencing” — “Alright, let’s work on this hand immobilization that comes from Wing Chun Gung Fu.”

Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that one of the fundamental underlying principles in JKD is about moving beyond the separation of styles and instead simply looking at martial art in terms of motion, of efficient human movement? Why is it so difficult for people to say, “That person is expressing himself or herself using a punch, a kick, an armlock, etc.? The answer is that it’s because ever since we first began learning, we’ve been entrained to separate, compartmentalize and label things we do and see. And that mindset is what Lee was attempting to help people move away from. When I began training in JKD, one of the first things, my teacher, Dan Inosanto told me, was, “Chris, as Bruce told me, if you understand motion, you don’t need ‘style.”

If a person takes the time and puts forth the energy to read any of Lee’s written material, or listen to any of his audio and video interviews, they will get a very clear understanding of what his view was concerning the idea or notion of “styles.” At the time preceding his death, Lee viewed styles as “cages” or “chains.” A person might be able to move about in a cage or while wearing a set of chains, but they would be restricted nonetheless.

Why JKD is not “Mixed Martial Arts”
Oftentimes, when I am discussing Jeet Kune Do, someone will ask the question, “JKD, …isn’t that just mixed martial arts?” My response to them is, “To the unknowledgeable observer that may appear to be the case, but no it isn’t.” A lot of people today tend to confuse JKD with what is now referred to as “Mixed Martial Arts”, and it is easy to understand the reason for this. JKD is considered by many to be the “original mixed martial art” because it seeks totality in personal combat considering all ranges and aspects of fighting. However, while some similarities exist between the two, they are not the same thing. While MMA may have adopted some of the principles that exist in JKD, such as being able to function in the various ranges and aspects of fighting, there are however, some major differences between JKD and MMA. On the most fundamental level there are rules in MMA. It is a competitive combat “sport”, and as such, the rules and regulations dictate the direction of training. There are, for example, numerous actions that are considered “fouls” in MMA competition that are exactly the type of action a JKD practitioner might use in a self-defense situation, such as kicking the knee, kicking, punching or grabbing the groin, pulling the hair, poking the eyes, finger locks, etc. JKD is about combat “as it is.” Another difference is that, as was discussed above with regard to styles, JKD views martial art as a single unitary whole, in its “totality” as opposed to various separated segments such as kicking, striking, grappling, etc., or ‘this’ art and ‘that’ art combined. This in no way denigrates Mixed Martial Arts or its practitioners. Some of the best martial artists in the world today are involved in the sport.

Conclusion
If you understand the true nature of Jeet Kune Do, you will recognize that there exists no need to “contemporize” it because all of the so-called “updated” material has always been a part of it. You will understand that it’s not about learning “original” JKD and then combining it with various other styles or arts in order to “evolve” it. It’s not about learning this style and that style or combining bits from different styles, but rather, about doing away with the idea of “styles” and getting away from labeling what you do as “this art” and “that art.” You will understand that JKD is about “totality” and efficient human movement in combat
Finally, you will understand that Jeet Kune Do is about you, the individual. It is about you cultivating your own body as a martial instrument and then expressing that instrument with the highest degree of efficiency and effectiveness and with total freedom.
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Hannibal · Aug 7, 2011

Sorry about the length of that last post...

You can read the response to this here -> http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1074495491#post1074495491

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