Strange phenomena....

Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by Taiji_Lou, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Eskrima is a Filipino art based on the sword. It is recognised more now for the stick fighting, but is a complete system, by which I mean it has a complete empty hands system in addition kicks,locks,chokes throws etc you may be more familiar with.

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    As for my Kung Fu it is based on several things picked up over the years. Shaoling Long Fist, Jeet Kune Do, boxing etc and is very street orientated rather than competition based.
     
  2. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    :) Did you make a Chi ball out of this water. Or did your chi cause it to evaporate? :eek:



    :) That was wind from a "low pressure system" :) wink :eek:



    Prone? :eek: Serious, that is where the problem with most on the side of Chi-delusions of grandeur, or grandeurious delusions. :rolleyes:


    I get that feeling from my wife. :eek:



    You didnt get the feel of cool bone and warm muscle?
    You were supposed to stand on your head for a hour before Chi meditation :rolleyes:



    Coincidence, isnt it? And videos of martial art masters prove nothing.:rolleyes:



    Was it the ambient surrounding temp cool. And of course your hand is going to feel cool from restricting blood flow,-. This is what also causes the tingling. :rolleyes:



    Because the force is strong in you (KnowWho?):rolleyes:


    Coincidence, isnt it? And these quasi ineternal martial art masters prove what? Nothing. :rolleyes:



    :) Yep. But Chi people are on a "natural high" :rolleyes:



    No need to apologize. Ignorance is bliss. :rolleyes:


    Mental, subliminal, no different than holy rollers having a relgious spiritual expereince.:rolleyes:


    Because they know they hadnt ezpereince Chi.this is like telling someone you felt the prescence of God, and when they describe what they felt, youu ask sort of the same question. :rolleyes:


    :rolleyes::hat:


    I would like to have fun with Li Jing, where is she?
    If you wont cultivate reasoning, you will never convince people of Chi.


    Viagra?


    Yep. Your'e numb alright.

    Chi people cant, cause fighters either cant cultivate Chi, or they have so much chi, they dont realise it.




    Chi people are like holy rollers, you cant tell the]m to prove the reality or existence

    careful, someone may think you meant Eskimo
     
  3. Yuen Fen

    Yuen Fen Valued Member

    I practiced standing meditation in the chamber of a thousand rain drops, and after about 10 minutes of this, rounded off my practice and was totally refreshed and alert.

    This Chi stuff is the mutts nutts... :cool:
     
  4. Taiji_Lou

    Taiji_Lou Banned Banned

    ..........I'm just in awe.



    Okay, folks. I read a very interesting article online about a group of scientists who were testing phagocitic capabilies of white blood cells, some treated with qigong, some not in a blind study. 8 out of 10 times, the chi blood was more effective than the "regular" blood. it was more in depth that..... but you know. I can't remember EVERY little detail.

    chi balls are real, too.
     
  5. surrealism

    surrealism trying to fit in

    phagocytic: a type of cell within the body capable of engulfing and absorbing bacteria and other small cells and particles.

    @Taiji Lou where is this article? I'm interested in reading it.
     
  6. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    These are real chi balls.

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  7. Taiji_Lou

    Taiji_Lou Banned Banned

  8. Taiji_Lou

    Taiji_Lou Banned Banned

    While the iron is fundamentally made of chi, those balls are not specifically what is meant by someone having chi balls.

    Mr. Kuma, I thought you practiced ki with your Karate?

    Have you ever considered Tai Chi for a low impact, early morning excersize?
     
  9. CKava

    CKava Just one more thing... Supporter

    These are typical of the low quality sources that are often cited in support of dubious claims and therapies. If qigong was really as effective at treating cancer as claimed in these sources it would be easy to establish in a well conducted clinical trial. Oddly though the only trials which show such remarkable positive effects are from unknown research groups and published in obscure alternative medicine journals with typically no real peer review or rigorous quality control. The well conducted studies say by the multi billion dollar National Institute for Complementary and Alternative Medicine in America which has a strong pro-CAM agenda never seem to be able to reproduce the claimed effects... all very strange. You also have to wonder why China's mortality rates improved so much after the introduction of modern medicine.
     
  10. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    That's what kata is for, you just slow it down.
     
  11. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Yes. You would be in awe. I know where those scientists can get a extra million bucks if they can orive this.

    I know chi balls are real. This is what my young kid calls cheese balls.
     
  12. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    It had? I thought they still were doing "Chinese Medicine"

    Oh wait, a thought.

    If the main Chinese population are doing modern medicine, are they still doing Chinese Medicine?
     
  13. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member


    LOL

    Those are not chi balls.

    That is a guy who has conditioned himself physically to be able to do that parlor trick and feed nonsense to gullable and naive Chi believers.

    The guy probably had the sack contents removed.
     
  14. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Che balls?

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  15. Taiji_Lou

    Taiji_Lou Banned Banned

    How about the video where the Qigong Grandmaster actually shrinks a tumor in a hospital in front of the patient, the doctor, the camera? That video was NUTS. I wish I could do that!

    I wonder if Chuck Norris does Taiji.
     
  16. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Find it for us, I'd like to see that.
     
  17. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    fyi

    focusing on sensations and "strange phenomena" is discouraged in tai chi chuan. What you're focusing on here sounds like qigong / internal cultivation. lot's of folks like to do there taiji no differently to some type of qigong, they may not even be sure which. That is not the focus of a tai chi chuan form.

    Sensations and "strange phenomena" aren't the focus of martial qigong or neigong either. If you really want to talk about medical stuff then maybe a forum earmarked for a martial style is not the ideal place to do it.

    Taoist cultivation is primarily a spiritual practice.

    There is off topic and there is alt. meds and religious sections on this forum. I know you are new, but when using the forum please consider your fellow users as well.

    So far i've liked your contribution, you can be pretty funny, and don't take yourself too seriously, open to learning. How's your welcome been ?

    Anyway - welcome.
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2010
  18. Taiji_Lou

    Taiji_Lou Banned Banned

  19. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Some people can and do interperate it like that. But it's pretty meaningless to do so.

    Especially when you consider that in the classics it clearly states that your mind should not be on the qi!

    the taiji longfist are martial forms and postures strung together. The form can be practiced with different mindsets sure. This would be 'monk style' really - engaging a meditive mindset, high stance, focused on breathing perhaps, gentle, calm, perhaps using some alchemic visualisations.

    But it's just one way, and not considered martial just done that way. Why would it - there's no martial focus is there?

    Tai chi chuan is a martial art. Qigong is not. It is only used as supplementary work - and done so separately - other than what I have outlined. Other opinions may differ sure.. and they are welcome to do so.

    There's only so much you can focus on at a time in a long form and do it justice. TCC already has a very great deal to focus on in a martial movement sense in its forms.

    It's usually when folks lack authentic martially applicable content and conditioning, that they either dismiss the forms relevence, or its contents martial relevence - maybe some get it elswhere from specific sets, martial neigong etc..

    Or they just look at it as a type of qigong. Tc has specific qigong sets, so maybe those folks don't have them and need to compensate. The way supplementary martial qigong is done and its goals differ from medical qigong.

    What tai chi are you doing and where's it from anyway ?
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2010
  20. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Martial "ch'i gong" would be,more properly,hei gong/nei gong-power development exercises,where you do physical things with your body,not dwelling on breath or meridians and such.These are the gongs which properly belong in the training curriculum of TC,as opposed to the generic breathing exercises one encounters in most TC schools,which are simply health exercises,and not related to TC in any way.

    An example is the post training-it has many methods,much more than just standing there and relaxing.One can do various physical things,"under the surface" as it were,all the while one is standing.

    You put the physical skills learned in these gongs into your TC practice,form,pushing,sparring,etc.

    As for the clip,well....how come nobody ever does something like this under controlled conditions,at a non-biased place-like say,the Harvard medical School? That's a place that investigates a lot of so-called "alternative" medicine, like herbs.

    And welcome to MAP.
     

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