That's not strictly true, I feel you are bending the facts a little. He's obviously a tremendous athelete and skilled in what he does so I'm not taking anything away from his achievment at all... however I think attempting to use him as a metonomy for 'point fighting' being an equally as valid means of fighter development as mauy thai is a little misleading. So as far as I know hes got titles in NBL, NASKA and WCL. The first two are sport karate/point fighting tournaments, the WCL is basically full contact 'American Kickboxing'. Heres the WCL rules: so... no low line kicks. no clinch work. no counter fighting. no elbows He's not competed against a thai boxer under thai rules or under a sufficiently open ruleset to say hes 'owned' anyone from that style. He's fought karate kumite, TKD and pro kickboxing but he's fighting under a limited striking paradigm which suits his own style. In light of this your post is a little misleading. It reads to me like " hey, 'point fighting' isn't a ridiculous game of tag because this guy has totally kicked the butts of thai boxers, boxers and everything." But that's not really the case. As an aside he seems like a totally cocky, showy, douchbag who gets away with a hell of a lot of arrogant showboating by virtue of the limiting ruleset he fights under and the quality of fighter it attracts. case in point... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9dD0YQ0hA"]YouTube - Tribute to Raymond Daniels by Alex Romahn[/ame] Heres him in his only MMA fight (which he lost by submission)... ... not so flashy now eh?