So why are black belts black (and other belt colours)?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by huoxingyang, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. huoxingyang

    huoxingyang Valued Member

    The other day, I began to wonder if there is any reason why Jigoro Kano chose black for the high-ranking colour belt and conversely why white for low grades (before all the other colours came in).

    Someone was telling me that old tale of how a black belt was just a really filthy white belt and I just couldn't take it seriously. But it did make me wonder if there really was some significance to the belt colours. :thinking:
     
  2. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Black is awesome.

    But apparently now orange is the new black (or something like that).
     
  3. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    Yeah, the whole belt getting dirty thing is a fantastic myth that refuses to die.

    I'm not sure myself as to the reason for it actually. According to a couple of people I've spoken to, it was along the lines of white representing a "bright beginning" (for want of a better term) and black representing...well, the opposite of that.

    An Aikido instructor once put it like the idea of a candle burning down. When you light it, it's white, light and fresh, no experience. By the time you get to black the candle has burned out and you have to start finding your own way without the light. It was all lovely and poetic.

    All that said I couldn't put my finger on a specific reason confidently. It'll be nice to see if anyone else knows any better.
     
  4. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Original belt colours are white, brown, and black. With white representing death in South/East Asia I would guess that it was supposed to be an easily understood symbol of the empty vessel of a body growing into life and knowledge.
     
  5. armanox

    armanox Kick this Ginger...

    I've seen some white belts get pretty filthy.....
     
  6. GoldShifter

    GoldShifter The MachineGun Roundhouse

    I kind of looked at it as a white belt signified purity, in mind and in spirit of the practitioner, still innocent to the different evils of the world, not really able to explain everything else in between but black may be that as experience accumulates the practitioner gets their hands dirty or in a sense has "been there, done that" and experienced what the world has, seen everything.

    I'm not sure, it sounded great when I used to think about it, not really sure how to put it into words but this was my best shot.
     
  7. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

    In places like China and Japan, white, (the colour of your gi) is associated with the 'Yang' principle and with death. Black is associated with the 'Yin' principle and with life.

    I'm not stating catagorically that that is why black was chose as the colour of the highest rank belt, but I'd be extremely surprised if that wasn't one of the reasons why. The other reason beng that it looks nice.
     
  8. Bozza Bostik

    Bozza Bostik Antichrist on Button Moon

    Its 'cause black is the colour of death and when you're a BB you become an unstoppable killing machine bringing death and destruction on those that cross you or hurt the innocent.
     
  9. gapjumper

    gapjumper Intentionally left blank

    If a black belt wasn't black, we'd have to call it something else.

    Simples
     
  10. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Of course, we all know red belts are the best.

    Hmm... maybe second only to Union Flag belts.

    #LongLiveTheEmpire
     
  11. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Kano was a goth.

    Mitch
     
  12. StrikingDragon

    StrikingDragon Valued Member

    Maybe white cloth was cheap and black dye was expensive? Although I always thought white was quite hard to bleach naturally for which they used to use urine...
     
  13. blindside

    blindside Valued Member

    My understanding is that a black belt or sash was used in the Japanese school system to denote high level swimmers. With Kano bringing his system into an academic system he adopted identifier.
     
  14. rne02

    rne02 Valued Member

    Kano adopted the system from swimming who used the same colour ribbons to identify ability as far as I know.

    Later the Japanese public schools were using the Kyu / Dan system as a means to rank ability throughout the different athletic departments. These departments were using belts or ribbons to identify ranking ability, most notably within swimming, where advanced swimmers wore a black ribbon around their waist to separate them from beginners in swimming tournaments.
     
  15. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    I'd forgotten about the swimmers wearing different colour ribbons.

    Damn you all with your "facts" and "reasonable logic"! I want my romanticised yet ultimately meaningless philosophies. :p
     
  16. huoxingyang

    huoxingyang Valued Member

    So if Kano copied swimmers, how did they choose their colours? :p
     
  17. StrikingDragon

    StrikingDragon Valued Member

    Why was swimming such a big thing? Am i missing something...
     
  18. blindside

    blindside Valued Member

    I don't know that it was a "big thing" any more than the US tradition of getting a "letter" in track and field or wrestling or soccer/football or whatever to show some level of proficiency.
     
  19. Indie12

    Indie12 Valued Member

    One of the legends I like is that the white belt was worn to hold the gi together. After years and years of practice, sweat, blood, and dirt the belt would turn orange, then green, then brown, then black. That's how the black belt and colored systems came into play. According to one of the legends.
     
  20. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    The biggest issue with a legend like that - and it is only a legend, incidentally - is that it actually encourages people not to wash their belts. The belt gets saturated with sweat, occasionally sprinkled with blood, possibly dragged along a dirty floor, etc, and it should certainly be washed!

    Another minor niggle with the legend is that it ignores the fact the initially there were no belt colours, then there were only two (white and black), after which more and more were gradually brought in. The system has been gradually evolving since Kano first brought it into play for Judo, hence the differences in colour progressions for different styles around the world.
     

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