Si Heng?

Discussion in 'Kung Fu' started by franksv, Feb 28, 2006.

  1. franksv

    franksv Valued Member


    I am not sure if this is totally the correct term or spelling,but does anyone in the cma know if the term "Si Heng" means older brother or senoir student that takes a novice under his wing through kung fu?If so,what is the term for the lower level brother/student?

    I have heard this term amoung a kf circle and it sounds like I have spelled it Si Heng.I was just wondering what the correct custom is on this as both my kf teachers are very informal.
  2. Chimpcheng

    Chimpcheng Yup... Giant cow head... Supporter

    'Si Hings' in my school are essentially the older 'brothers and sisters' (i.e. the students who are there before you arrived), whilst the younger 'brothers and sisters' (i.e. newbies) are 'Si Dai'.
  3. franksv

    franksv Valued Member

    I see,thank you very much.I really dig my kf teachers but sometimes its nice to learn a little about customs&tradition.They are both all about training,training and more training. :D
  4. Chimpcheng

    Chimpcheng Yup... Giant cow head... Supporter

    Not all kung fu schools are about tradition and likewise not all kung fu schools are just about fighting. My school (choy li fut) leans towards more fighting/self-defence and the general beasting of opponents :D but we also retain the traditions and customs (i.e. making offerings to the Kwan Dai, burning incense, the chinese lion dance, forms, stances, paying your respects to past masters, etc. etc.)

    Fellow MAPer Infrazel and Mano Mano are probably your best bet on customs, traditions, lineages, particularly on CLF. Both have an almost encyclopedic knowledge. :)
  5. funnytiger

    funnytiger Earthbender...

    I am a big advocate for learning traditional kung fu and the customs that come along with it.

    dai si hing = eldest brother
    dai si jei = eldest sister
    (note: there can only be one or the other in each kwoon. ie my kwoon has a dai si jei.)

    si hing = older brother
    si jei = older sister

    si dai = younger brother or can mean younger siblings as a group
    si moi = younger sister

    si fu = teacher/father
    (note: traditionally there is only one sifu per kwoon. i've noticed some kwoons have a laundry list of sifu's in their kwoon's arsenal.)
    si mo = sifu's wife

    si suk = your sifu's younger brother (si dai)
    si bak = your sifu's older brother (si hing)

    si gung = your sifu's sifu
    si jo = founder of system

    sorry about my spelling. everyone seems to spell each term differently and most of the time its done phonetically anyway. :D
  6. Topher

    Topher allo!

    We refer to instructors as Sihing/Sijee. There is only one Sifu in our organisation.
  7. gornex

    gornex Valued Member

    we refre to 2 people as sifu, the 2 people with black sashes.
  8. Topher

    Topher allo!

    How long does it take to get a black sash in your school?
  9. TheDarkJester

    TheDarkJester 90% Sarcasm, 10% Mostly Good Advice.

    This is our kwoons terminology

    Often Used Terms:

    Class Position & Rank:

    1. Sidai: Male classmate who joined after you
    2. Simui: Female classmate who joined after you
    3. Sihing: Male classmate who joined before you
    4. Sijeh: Female classmate who joined before you
    5. Sifu: Your teacher
    6. Sisuk Teacher's Sidai
    7. Sibak: Teacher's Sihing
    8. Sigung: Your teacher's teacher
    9. Sijoh: Teacher of Sigung
    10. Todei: Students
    11. Tosuen: Students of your students
    12. Tong Moon: Follower of the same style
  10. funnytiger

    funnytiger Earthbender...

    I think its safe to say that most kwoons use the same terminology. Although its apparent that some kwoons translate the meaning of each term differently.

    For instance, someone mentioned that they refer to the instructors as si hings or si jeis. Both terms simply mean older brother/sister, but in their kwoon it refers specifically to their instructors. In my school anyone who is an older student than you is your si hing or si jei. Not all of the older students are instructors.
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2006
  11. Infrazael

    Infrazael Banned Banned

    Haha Chimp that's too much for me to handle. I'm a still a newbie through-and-through. . . . . . . . :cool:

    I do like the bowing to Gwan Gung, Sigung and my Sifu's Godfather (he helped found the school).

  12. Mano Mano

    Mano Mano Dirty Boxer

    A black shash does not equel a Sfu and just because someone is an older student than you and is your si hing or si jei. doesn’t necessarily make them an instructor or even good enough to teach. Take Chimpcheng for instance I he’s my si dai (younger kung fu brother) but I would have no problem training in one of his classes he’s a good instructor, infact he’s a better instructor than one of two of his si hing’s.

    Infrazael sorry I didn’t get back to you I’m embarrassed to say I forgot.
  13. Dog Welder

    Dog Welder New Member

    Black sash can equal sifu... or not... it's not a traditional thing, so the meaning of a black sash is entirely dependent on the individual school or organization :p

    Sifu for me is more personal than just teacher... it would be a teacher that I feel truly loyal to and feel like he's familly. Other teachers I'd just refer to as "laoshi" or Mr./Ms./Mrs. etc.

    BTW, is there a female equivlant of sifu?
  14. lhommedieu

    lhommedieu Valued Member

    Black Sash

    For example, I am a "si-sook" (first-level black belt) in my Kajukenbo organization but am not qualified to teach until three more levels of black belt wherein I reach "si-fu" level.


    Steve Lamade
  15. funnytiger

    funnytiger Earthbender...

    Hence why Sifu means father/teacher.

    I've seen female sifu's called just that, Sifu. So I'm not 100% sure if thats an accurate title or what.
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2006
  16. Chimpcheng

    Chimpcheng Yup... Giant cow head... Supporter

    Aww shucks I feel the love. :love:
  17. CFT

    CFT Valued Member

    Female sifu are still called sifu.

    Note that there are 2 separate characters for the "fu" in sifu.

    The first is the "father" character.
    The second means "teacher".

    Of course both mean teacher, but the first combination of characters implies a familial relationship.
  18. funnytiger

    funnytiger Earthbender...

    Good information to know. We've always been taught that it means both since kung fu was traditionally only taught to family members. Its hard to believe that information like that would have been missed since Sifu and a couple students both read and speak Cantonese.

    With all respect.

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