Quiz Question

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by tom pain, Jul 3, 2006.

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What is the weight?

  1. Lighter when the bird is flying

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  2. The weight remains the same

    17 vote(s)
    73.9%
  3. Who cares? Where are the snakes on the plane?

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  1. tom pain

    tom pain I want Chewbacc for good

    Someone I know asked me this question so I will ask it here just to see what sort of answers we get.


    Imagine there is a plane flying in the sky, and inside this plane there is a bird standing on the floor.

    The bird then starts flying around the plane. Does the weight of the plane remain the same as when he was standing?
     
  2. |MT|omar

    |MT|omar Thai Boxer

    im guessing lighter when the bird is flying.... i thought of it like this though:

    image a bird is standing on scales, while on the scales it has a figure showing how heavy it is... once the bird is in the air, it's no longer on the scales, hence not weighing down the scales.
     
  3. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    The same. Someone with a better grasp of physics will explain why, but basically I think the flapping of the birds wing pushes down with the same force as its weight?

    Or maybe it uses skyhooks.

    Mitch
     
  4. Sandus

    Sandus Moved Himself On

    The plane is an enclosed system. The mass within remains constant during the flight, regardless of what the bird is doing, therefore the weight of the plane remains the same.

    EDIT: If you'd like to be technical, the mass of a plane is constantly decreasing, due to the consumption of fuel. But since the question makes no mention of fuel, I've disregarded it.
     
  5. Anth

    Anth Daft. Supporter

    In the same way, the mass of the bird would be decreasing as it uses up energy (from food etc) constantly just by being alive and even more so when its flying.
     
  6. tom pain

    tom pain I want Chewbacc for good

    Don't start looking too deep fellas :p Just the bird and the plane! :D
     
  7. Sgt_Major

    Sgt_Major Ex Global Mod Supporter

    Therefore so are the human occupants, so the point is moot :D

    The plane weight remains the same.
     
  8. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Same. Newton's laws state that every force has an equal and opposite force, so the average overall balance of forces is the same whether the bird is supported by the floor or the air.
     
  9. DouglasFir

    DouglasFir New Member

    These guys sound like they know what they're talking about so I'm gonna nod politely and agree with them in the hopes of looking smart myself in the process... so yeah, what they said! ;)
     
  10. LJoll

    LJoll Valued Member

    But the waste product of respiration would also stay in the plane, so the total mss would stay the same.
     
  11. LJoll

    LJoll Valued Member

    1.) The flapping of wings would push down on the scales.

    2.) Scales aren't neccesarily the best way of measring thing like this, as you'd gave to assume that helium had a negative weight, which we know is not rue.
     

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