Pros and Cons of Different Training Methods

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by aikiwolfie, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    I'm going to try and put together a FAQ thread in Beginners on the topic of different training methods. The reason being it's a question that gets asked from time to time. Particularly in relation to using videos and books as a primary source of learning.

    Why is this here? I think it'll get more exposure to a wider range of opinions from the MAP community. Which means I'm looking for some positive contributions :D

    Basically what I want to know is what people think of various training methods. Why they are good or bad and what alternatives there are.
     
  2. Bigmikey

    Bigmikey Internet Pacifist.

    Are we talking strictly training as in learning MA or are we heaping lifting and such into the mix as well?
     
  3. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Whatever training you employ as part of your martial arts regime. If you mix in weight training or whatever else then feel free to contribute your experience.
     
  4. Bigmikey

    Bigmikey Internet Pacifist.

    Gotcha! I'll see if I can scribble something together over the weekend :)
     
  5. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    Taken from my practicalkarate website, an article I wrote for Jissen Issue 7 on the use of different movement speeds in training. I can also post this in the article section if desired.



    SPEED IN TRAINING

    Those of you that have ever moved house and had to find a new place to train, or advised newcomers to the martial arts on a forum, will be familiar with the need to ‘find somewhere good to train’. What is often interesting, particularly when reading threads on forums, is finding out how other people believe you can judge a good club.

    There are naturally many different factors that make a martial arts class good or not, no matter what style is practiced. One aspect that springs to mind is the value often placed on the intensity of the training experience in a class. The speed at which students drill within class, and the physical demands placed upon them by this, might seem to be an integral factor to the intensity and quality of training. However the implications for each student’s development through the variations that can be made in training speed are so fundamental that they are rarely given even a moment’s thought.

    No matter how long we train, whichever way we turn, the roots of our progress lie in our attention to basic principles, and the level of our understanding as to why we train in the manner we do. To a student, new or old, the answer to a question of ‘why’ should never simply be ‘because that’s the way I was taught’ – a reply that dodges the question. Whether training fast or slow, the knowledge of the pros and cons of each method should be understood.


    Static Training – Non moving Visualization

    Advantages
    Recreates the feel of a movement
    Allows injury recovery with reduced performance deterioration
    Confidence
    Time and location efficiency (can be done anywhere, any time)

    Disadvantages
    No aerobic/anaerobic benefit
    No strength benefit
    Limited value for techniques that rely on tactile feel unless practitioner is extremely advanced
    Does not work/test timing or reactions.

    How slow can you train? Static visualization is not necessarily a training method associated with being in class, and yet is an extremely valuable method of improving performance. Muscle memory is a myth, your memory is the result of electrical patterns in the brain – and your brain creates and stores those patterns from the information it receives from the body. The brain does not distinguish between visualized actions and actual actions, thus mentally rehearsing a drill can strengthen the neural patterns in much the same way as actual physical practice. One of the greatest advantages of this form of training is that mental rehearsal allows the ‘perfect’ reproduction of a movement. Watching another person performing when you know the movement they are doing triggers the same patterns in the brain as actually doing the training. This is one reason why coaches should encourage injured students to watch lessons for free since it reinforces their existing skill level while making it less likely they will quit (because they are still reminded of what they are missing and remain immersed in the social scene of training). The greatest disadvantage to visualized training for beginners is not the lack of aerobic/anaerobic load, but its reliance on prior proficiency in the trained skill set.


    Slow Speed Training

    Advantages
    Ensures skilled technique
    Can be used as a strength, balance and flexibility workout
    Can be used as part of an injury recovery workout

    Disadvantages
    Limited value for increasing aerobic and aerobic fitness
    Limited value for training timing and reaction speed.

    Slow speed training allows trainees to focus on ‘getting the movement right’. There is a common saying ‘practice makes perfect’, but as American Football Coach Vince Lombardi observed, “Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect.” Training in slow motion allows trainees to perfect the biomechanical movement aspect of a technique, failure to train in this manner will result in far greater time being taken to achieve an equivalent skill level – if it is ever reached at all. One of the great advantages of slow training is the degree of precision and control it allows over movement. This is of particular importance for trainees recovering from injury since it allows a technique, strength, balance and flexibility workout while lowering the risk of aggravating the existing problem.

    The disadvantages of slow training are obvious and important. While slow training can assist in the identification of the minute telegraphs that give away techniques, it does not test the ensuing reaction speed, or work the timing of how early or late to respond to an attack so that the other person cannot recommit. While you will burn calories during slow training, you will not work your aerobic or anaerobic capacity due to the lack of pressure involved – a disadvantage if you are training for an event where greater efficiency in this regard is essential. Slow training can be used to perfect technique, and in some respects may be the most beneficial (and safest) way for new students to train, but can be very boring for inexperienced trainees and put them off attending class.


    Medium Speed Training

    Advantages
    Training can be sustained for long periods
    Good for the development of aerobic fitness
    Good for maintaining interest.

    Disadvantages
    Training can lack psychological pressure
    Sustained practice at this level reduces the opportunity to develop refinement in the execution of techniques
    Can reinforce bad technique and hamper skill development.

    Medium speed training is the half way house. Good for many things, bad for many things, excellent at nothing and terrible at nothing.

    By training at a medium speed students are able to keep going for a long time, thus gaining an aerobic workout. The pace allows a coach to get the students rehearsing a broad range of techniques or combinations throughout the class, thus reinforcing a large number of neural pathways and stopping the students from becoming bored. In terms of keeping students training (ie preventing them from quitting) this is very beneficial because from the perspective of the average martial arts student, it ticks a large number of the boxes that match their expectations in training. For the instructor it seems beneficial because training at this pace allows the class to cover the majority of the techniques they may need to know for their grading syllabus, thus the class can practice and the instructor can assess.

    The downside of this method of training is that as students tend to focus on speed more than precision, if the movement is not already ingrained precisely, the technique performed will be sloppy. Faults in performance will naturally increase as a student begins to tire. If this forms the majority of training then what is being rehearsed and drilled into the neural pathways over and over again is likely to be incorrect technique. Since the speed is not quite full tilt, the benefit of training for things such as timing is reduced. The greater risk of performing sloppy technique due to fatigue increases the risk of injury.


    High Speed Training

    Advantages
    Only real test of practicable ability
    Develops anaerobic fitness
    Excellent for developing reaction speed
    Develops distancing and timing appropriate for the activity being trained
    Places students under psychological stress.

    Disadvantages
    Over use will reinforce poor technique
    Generally does not allow for refinement as fine motor skills will be inaccessible if placed under real pressure
    Can only be sustained for short periods of time.

    Full Speed training – the holy grail. Whether you are training for the competitive arena, or for self defence, the ability to execute techniques with precision at full speed under pressure is surely one of the most important aims of any trainee.

    There are many advantages of training this way, both psychological and physical.

    Training at full speed, whether with or without any form of protection, brings with it the danger of being hit – and the natural fear in many people of pain. This in turn puts an element of pressure in the performance that cannot be matched in training at any other speed (unless students are engaged in static drills where they have to be hit). Successful execution of techniques under the conditions of high speed training builds real confidence appropriate to the arena being trained.

    In physical terms, only high speed training can assess the accuracy of students’ abilities in reading body movements and spotting the telegraphs of techniques in time for threat avoidance, and put their reaction time and speed of movement to a real test – whether in attack or defence.

    The disadvantages of high speed training are ultimately linked to the limitations of human performance and the nature of the training regime. A student cannot work at high speed all the time as they will quickly fatigue. Real high speed training is the equivalent of a 100m sprint, something that can only be sustained for seconds rather than minutes. The obvious answer is to intersperse high speed training with training at other speeds, but there is another issue with working at high speed – technique. When a person moves fast and are under pressure, they tend to make mistakes – a posture that is not quite optimal, over-extension, greater telegraphing, not enough torso or hip rotation to give a technique as much power as it could have. How well a person performs under pressure is dependant upon a number of factors, but two very simple ones are:
    1. How familiar they are with working under pressure.
    2. How good and ingrained is their existing technique.
    Repeatedly working under pressure will address factor number one, but spending too much time working under pressure can be exceptionally detrimental to factor number two, since the more you rehearse a technique sub optimally – the more likely you are to perform that way consistently. As was said earlier “practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect.”


    Conclusion

    On the face of it the speed of training may determine the visible intensity of training, but in actual fact is often a false indicator of the quality of training. Consistently fast and hard does not necessarily mean good, and slow training while less visually impressive may be both technically and physically demanding. Too much of any type of training has the potential to be detrimental. Ideally training should be balanced, with different emphases on different speeds according to the health and level of the student, but it would be helpful for both students and coaches to know what precisely they are aiming to achieve with each training method when they do employ it.

    john titchen
     
  6. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    Contact levels in training

    We train mainly with medium levels of contact, sometimes heavy, and sometimes light. It is not random the level of contact or where we hit, but is part of the lesson plan.

    I am only partially talking about sparring. I am mostly talking about during regular training. To address sparring, however, we mostly train Muay Thai and some submission grappling, so the level of contact is going to be at the level that a person can take. It is fairly normal in Muay Thai sparring to get knocked hard, but since we aren't out to kill each other, it ain't like in the ring, there is a bit of holding back to protect yourself and your sparring partner. Same for rolling, it can get very intense but we are going to tap out earlier rather than risk injury, not the same as in competition. That's why it is called sparring... it is for learning purposes.

    So to be clear, I am posting more about levels of contact in regular training, not sparring.

    There are two levels of contact for regular training: (1) There is the level of contact needed to learn the movements through repetition. (2) There is the level of contact needed for realism.

    At first, I would say that the two levels of contact seem like completely opposite ends of the training spectrum, but eventually they become quite close to each other. I will discuss each and then attempt to bring them together in how we train.

    The level of contact needed to learn the movements through repetition does not have to be very much, it can be light contact and in some cases it is even done with movements in the air with little or no contact. Light contact is a bit better because your body can become more sensitive to movements with touch and fundamentals such as engaging the elbows can be worked on. A big issue is that light contact training only really works with compliant partners. It has almost no relation to real world situations where adrenaline is involved. Sure you can hit a target like the eyes and it could be effective with light contact, but you can hit the whole face with heavy contact and it would still allow you to rake the eyes in addition.

    The level of contact to add in realism needs to be a bit more, enough that you can stun or unbalance your training partner on contact. Sure the training partner can be compliant, but they can be less compliant than compared to light contact because you are really hitting them hard enough to stun or unbalance them. With your training partner stunned or unblanced, they are less able to counter what comes next. A disadvantage is that not everyone can take this type of heavier hitting training, they have to be tough and develop ukemi or ways to protect themselves or else you run out of training partners really fast. You also have to have good control so that if something does go wrong you can limit the damage that is done to yourself and your partner.

    The way we tend to train is using a rule of three, which in this case is actually the rule of 3 out of 10. We might train something three times with heavy contact with a less compliant partner, then train it seven more times with light contact and a mostly compliant partner. Heavy contact is not raw force, although it could be, but really it is effective force. The amount of force to make your training partner feel the effects that at least stuns them... this can be lighter contact that stuns in the case of targeting certain pressure points and such.

    So we use the rule of 3 out of 10 in our training. And to add one more thing, we will use target replacement. Say that the strike is to the heart, but we don't want to be striking the heart with a lot of force, so in some cases if we are working on hitting really hard, we might strike the stomach instead really hard as part of the 3 out of 10 hard hits... for the remaining 7 out of 10 lighter hits we might target the heart as it the correct target, for example.
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2012
  7. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    I've put up two articles I wrote on Contact in Training in the JMA area of the Articles Section.
     
  8. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    Last edited: Jul 15, 2012
  9. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    When you don't have training partner, you can train your "grip fight" by letting your left hand to fight against your right hand. You can do that when you watch TV, sit on bus, ...
     
  10. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Seems like this is starting to dry up a bit. Thanks to the guys who contributed. I think I have quite a bit of reading to do now. :D
     

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