Pekiti Tirsia Kali announcement

:lowblow:And the story continues

 

Bro, this isn't about playing both sides here. GT Gaje made a morally reprehensible mistake of booting out his most loyal and best student, and for what for some DVD tribute that wasn't made? You still see Gaje with googly eyes when you should be more critical, asking him why he let this all play out the way it did. If you're that close to Gaje, chastise him.

 

Thanks for your care and concern, it's not really wanted or needed. You've admitted you don't really know anything beyond the internet postings that you read. Therefor, this makes your opinions next to worthless as far I'm concerned.

Okay sure, I should chastise my teacher because some anonymous guy on the internet said so. Right... Those internet guys know better. Funny.

Like I said, you don't know me and you don't know the kind of conversations I have with GT Gaje or Tim Waid. Don't presume to advise me on what to do because you think you know better from what you read online.

 

If this is true, is totally unfair, to said the least, with Tim. If it was me, I wouldn't be quiet.

I don't even know how it works here. Probably not. Why should I get this for something that have nothing to do with my government. This is a point that I don't agree with GT. It will not work.

 

These internet postings are at the center of the drama.

 

sleepers

We'll see how it all plays out, but base on history, I gotta feeling Gaje will say "Jungle survival has always been part of PTK".

I'm sure they'll have to walk it back but the damage will have been done. It's absurd. I'm still trying to figure out who these sleepers are he's writing about.

 

I know one nothing, you're about the only PTK guy who posts incognito in forums, most just say their names, pretty proud of it too--I guess these days are different. So either you're not as high ranking as you claim or youre scared of voicing your opinion, either way it's understandable.

Again this all played out online, maybe not everything but most of it did.

 

Not because I told you to, but because it's the right thing to do. If you're still with Gaje, you're doing him a disservice by staying silent on this. Did you read Dino's last posting on this matter?

You know why most plane crashes are Korean piloted planes? Because their 1st or 2nd officers don't speak up, check out the Power Distance Index. It explains your behaviour in all this.

 

I think you didn't get the idea. The thing is, if Bruce were alive, he probably would be running the JKD if he had the strength to do. Are you sure that he were alive, JKD would be the same as it is today? Would be better or worst? It something that nobody knows and never will know. I'm not saying that's the current JKD is a bad thing (I think is very good), and of course that a lot of people contributed even when he was still alive, as Inosanto himself. But it makes us wonder about it
For GT Gaje is the same thing, except that he is still alive. He is the one who bring the system out and made it "public". Who knows if the PKT that he taught is exactly the same that he learned?! But, that's the system that we know. And it evolved. It is not because it is centered in one man that it can't evolve and of course that it had contribution of others, as Tim Waid himself have a big share in what PKT is today.

 

Issues of security clearance and consistency...

As a security advisor, and having been tasked with personnel screening in the past, i feel i'm in a strong position to tackle the topic of security clearance. When i first read it on Leo Gaje's FB status, my immediate response was to roll my eyes and dismiss it as a poorly thought out marketing ploy. Here's why:

Firstly, it must be considered that many organisations ALREADY require their operatives and instructors to have a CRB (criminal record) check before they can be put in positions of responsibility (this includes martial arts organisations). When i applied for my close protection license, for example, i had to have one. Also, one of the firms i instruct with here in London required me to have an up-to-date CRB check before being allowed to deliver specialised training to their clients unsupervised, as part of their "due diligence" procedures.

A CRB check is nothing special, and should not be confused with "security clearance" - as simply having a criminal record does not influence a subject's eligibility for security clearance (though the specific nature of any crimes committed may do). With his rank of Lt. Col, and his experience with LE/Mil/PMC types, i'm sure Leo Gaje knows the difference, and that "security clearance" means "security clearance."

Secondly, there are two types of security clearance:

1. Government security clearance: A government vetting agency screens subjects for clearance within their own (government) departments. As an example, common security levels include "Unrestricted; Restricted; Secret; Top secret."

2. Private security clearance: A private organisation screens subjects for clearance within its own organisation. In many cases, this involves contracting one or more third-party organisations to carry out screening procedures and investigations into a subject.

In both cases, any/all persons screened would have to sign NDAs (non-disclosure agreements) or an equivalent, to prevent them from leaking confidential information. Despite this, sensitive information is still often leaked, and much of it can be found open-source (ie. internet, media, etc). To mitigate this, various measures can be implemented (secure archives, logged access, mole-hunts, etc...), at various degrees.

For security clearance to be effective, it must be carried out as a mandatory measure, for EVERY individual with access to sensitive information. Ideally, this also includes those who are frequently in close proximity to sensitive information (such as cleaners, receptionists, catering staff, etc...), even if they do not have direct access to it.

Statements like the one following would indicate that the "mandatory security clearance" required by Leo Gaje is more of a gimmick than a serious initiative:

If certain individuals are allowed to operate without proper security clearance, this undermines the entire concept of introducing those measures in the first place. When i was doing penetration testing for various firms, some of the common errors made by front-line security was that they would let people into restricted areas without proper accreditation because they recognised them, or the person was walking with accreditation holders, or the person was wearing a uniform, or the person communicated in a way that seemed genuine, authoritative, or charming. The bottom line is that when it comes to security, you either have it, or you don't. There are no exceptions.

Finally, these are things that PTK members in particular would have to consider before investing into an expensive and admin-heavy initiative such as this:-

1. Is there any need to have information restricted?
2. Does the information need to be tiered, with additional vetting procedures carried out when a subject wishes to access tiers that require higher security clearance?
3. What are the potential risks if information is leaked?
4. What penalties can be administered to subjects who leak information?
5. To avoid inconsistency caused by personal ties between instructors and students, should a third-party carry out vetting procedures?
6. How will you ensure global consistency across the organisation?
7. How will you ensure that all PTK members undergo proper screening?
8. How will you control information that has already been released into the public domain, or that has been assimilated/distributed by subjects who have left the group?
9. Do you have the means to regularly collect, update and store personal information in a secure environment?
10. Is mandatory security clearance within your organisation practicable in its current state?

The problem is that it's all well and good to arbitrarily introduce new legislation, but without the resources and infrastructure to enforce that legislation effectively, it is little more than empty posturing. Worse still, to publicly insist that it must be obeyed absolutely, without even having the procedures in place to facilitate it, does little more than make one look frustrated, reckless and impotent.

 

Aaradia

There's other PTK people out there that are highly skilled and run their own organisations that are not connected with Gaje. So it's very unlikely that the system will "commit suicide".

It could be said that some PTK groups deliberatly go with other organisations to keep away from some of the politics in PTK Global.

Just sayin' (i.e. Stop being so dramatic )

No bolded text or underlining were hurt during the posting of this.

 

That's a pretty good point!

 

yeah Janno is like that. But then having vast experience in the security and close protection field both as an operative and trainer I wouldn't expect any less. I was just surprised no other people in this industry hadn't shouted foul already on this who security fiasco rubbish.

Well done Janno

 

You sir, assume too much and know too little. And you want to put you 2cents in a situation that doesn't concern you. Mind your own business.

 

Your business has been splattered around the net for all to see, don't whinge when people comment on things said in the public domain.

Can't have your cake and eat it.

 

Ah right... it's the internet, mob rules. Well then, carry on with your well informed opinions. This is interesting.

 

Care to show me where I've done anything other than make the odd movie quip?

Moan all you like, try and put the onus on everyone else all you like, none of it will change the fact this has been made very very public by your organisation and continued to be kept in the public eye by seniors in your system.

Nothing you say will alter that fact or change people's opinion that it was a bloody silly idea.

Mr Waid has, so far, come off looking far better than anyone else.

From a personal point of view the whole debacle has put me off the system.

 

Also if you feel people are ill informed then actually correct them at every instance, if you don't you are simply blowing hot air and compounding the issues.

 

Who was this comment directed at exactly?

As has already been mentioned, once people start making statements in public, they invite the opinions of their peers. These forums are a platform for people (yourself included) to present and discuss topics - some of which may be controversial - in a civilised manner. "Mind your own business" is a bit juvenile, don't you think?

I'd be interested to see either a rebuttal or viable solutions to the points i've raised regarding the limitations of Leo Gaje's proposed security initiative. I'd also be interested to see an example of his proposed measures working in a currently active MA group.

If, of course, we're faced with zero on all counts then by all means rant on. In the absence of any competent facilitators within the PTK group, hopefully the spirit world will be able to implement a thorough screening and accreditation system for them...

And to echo Dean's point - i was also a big fan of PTK as a system. Indeed, i still am. As a potential career environment though? I'm not so sure i'd have the patience for such a volatile political climate.