I watched a video clips of fights and there's one of them that horrifies me and wouldn't really know what to do if it happens. Say if I get knocked down and my opponent jumps on me while I'm laying on the ground and have my neck between his crotch and he's reasonably heavier than me. How do I get out of it while all these punches are raining down on to my face? In training or tournament situation you can either tap out or the ref can save your teeth. But say if I'm at a bar and someone's doing that to me, there's no hope of getting out than have my face completely turn into the shape of melted butter!! I would prefer not to bite his nuts off with my teeth thanks If anyone seen a video clip of someone in a fight and got of it, please also post, thanks.
if you're face up, bite him in the nuts. not willing to do so? avoid dangerous situations altogether. if there's the possibility of serious damage to you, do serious damage yourself. also, depending on your grip strength, the opponent's physique and whether you can move your arms, grab an are with fat, such as the buttocks or the love handles and pull at them as hard as you can. alternatively you could try knuckle punches if you train them regularly and have strong arms, particularly if you manage to hit a vertebra. if you end up face down you're pretty much screwed unless you have very strong arms and can lift up the opponent enough to slip your head between their legs. on the plus side, if you can do that, there's a chance that you can revert the situation.
It really will depend on how their his crotch is in your neck of face. Where the legs and feet are can be quite important. Do you have a pictures perchance? I'm going to presume here that your opponent is in somewhat of a mounted position, possibly with their legs and knees high up towards your head with their shins possibly resting on your shoulders. Firstly, if you can, protect your face. However, no matter how you do this as time goes on eventually a punch is going to get through. So the idea is to keep moving. You can try bridgin straight up to disrupt their balance. That means they will have to use one or both of their hands to stop from being toppled over. They can't do that and punch you at the same time. Also try and move your head around and shrimp if you can. Make yourself a moving target. If their shins are on your shoulders, try and bridge up. You can find that you may be able to wriggle out the back way. Every situation is going to be different. So asking on a internet forum probably isn't the best way to get an answer. Especially since we can't physically demonstrate anything to do and it's hard to imagine exactly what situation you may be thinking about. But lastly, if you face is at risk of being turned into melted butter (serious injury if not death). Do whatever you can to escape. If that means chewing on someones genatalia , then so be it. Oh, and make use of your training so you don't get into that situation in the first place.
Do you have a picture to illustrate the exact position? Oh, and while if biting his nuts is possible then yea go for it, but it probably won't be your highest probability move.
Do you mean a mounted triangle choke, http://www.google.com/search?q=moun...ox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7DKUK if so youtube 'mounted triangle choke defence' and train it, its that easy. Oh and dont start fights with people. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&rlz=1I7DKUK&q=mounted+triangle+choke+defence
Kusa has provided the long answer. Now I will provide the short answer: if you want to learn how to deal with situations like that, take jits. The Brazilian flavor will probably be more attuned to learning that position and others like it.
No, that's providing the short and wrong answer, not the long one. It's not just a matter of learning a different art, especially one that is known mostly to not include strikes as was described by the OP. The OP also has not adequately described the situation and so straight out comments such as 'take jits' aren't that helpful. Yohan, I know you have a lot of martial arts experience including BJJ, but it's certainly not the only place to learn this. I would be more concerned about the particular styles and instructors of JuJutsu and Ninjitsu the OP is associated with, if he/she hasn't learn how to deal with this sort of situation after saying this in another thread. Fair enough if they are specialised styles or circumstances. Yay, I believe I probably just managed to offend or disagree with everyone .
Lord knows I'm offended Seriously though - the only styles that are going to have a really good escape from this kind of position are the ones that deal in the position regularly with some kind of resistance. Wrestling? Not typically, most wrestlers don't work off their back, and will bail to their belly at the first opportunity. Judo? Yes Jiu-Jutsu? Yes Ninjutsu? Maybe. I've never seen a triangle choke in Ninjutsu, much less a mounted triangle choke. Most of the ground strategies of Ninjutsu involve standing while your opponent is prone and controlling him with an arm. So seriously, if you start looking at this issue, it's not an issue of, what do I do if dude gets me in a mounted triangle choke. Even if some dude hits you with a mounted triangle choke, and goes to pound your face in, if you don't know what you are doing in general, it doesn't matter. Even if you use your well practiced escape from a mounted triangle choke, if you don't know anything else on the ground he's just going to transition and continue to pound your face in. The issue isn't, how do I escape a mounted triangle choke, it's, how do I work on the ground. You aren't going to learn that in Ninjutsu. period. But if you want to look at the situation, don't look at it from a technique perspective, look at it from a principle perspective. What does the person have trapped? Legs? No Hips? No Arms? No Head? Yes Is the triangle choke locked or is it loose? So you can use every tool except your head to escape. I would start by unbalancing them with a umpa, then I would try to grab them with my legs under their arms, and pull them off me and roll on top. Then I would hip up and roll them, and shuck a leg off and pass to side mount. Believe it or not, this isn't a very powerful position, unless you control something, or really lock in the choke.
QFT, but heres an even shorter answer that MAY or MAY NOT work in any particular instance. If its a high mount, roll up slightly lead with the 'freeist' side and insert both feet into the armpit, and push/kick them off you, then get to your feet and run away. Now for the hard part, do this to someone better then you at pinning (i.e. judo wrestling & BJJ most likely) using the I method (information, isolation, integration) start with little strength then increase to 100% over the training time, and there you have 101 high mount escapes. ps there are much better escapes, but the double foot trick is easy to learn and works on most newbies quite well.
Well, I feel it should be mentioned that if it was easy to get out of, it would not be called an "escape." Escapes are not ideal, they are the result of having to get out of getting in a very disadvantaged position. Before even considering how to escape, it should be learned how to avoid the situation in the first place. As the opponent is trying to lock into the position is going to be your best time to reverse or neutralize their attack, during the transitions... if you get good at countering during transitions, even if they do move into a high mount, they may be off balance or leave extra room for you to move to escape... don't be an easy target. By the way, if you should end up in a position from which you are basically screwed, you may have to "talk your way out of it" and act on first opportunity when the opponent is caught off guard. Sometimes getting them to talk or acting all crazy can work to catch them off guard and give you the opportunity to act effectively. IME.
By Jiu-Jutsu do you mean BJJ or JJJ? (I am presuming BJJ) I suppose it comes down to what you actually do in JJJ training as there is a huge amount of variety. I've trained in JJJ, BJJ and Judo (yes, I like to grapple) and I feel the JJJ training covers this sort of situation the best, both from a pure technique and sparring perspective.
Depends which JJ training your talking about, as you have said there is a huge variety. It also depends which form of BJJ sparring your talking about, Gi, Nogi, MMA (jits with hits) or self defense, all have common threads, all are slightly different.
