Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later but so early in the WMA revival and from such a highly respected member of the community. I have to admit it's a bit of a blow. Well done to Roger to owning up and facing the music. I know it is his EMA creditials that were fake but it undermines everything the WMA has been trying to achieve. I know the pressure in the modern martial arts community to display pieces of paper and it was why I took the decision early to refuse all rank offered and prove myself individually with everyone I train with. I have to admit there are times when I think I'll got train somewhere for a few years and gain a dan grade or two. Today is one of those days I am glad I just train with desire to learn practical martial skills. It also brings home my desire to not have a formal ranking system introduced into WMA. So that instructors have to prove their teaching and martial ability to every student that walks through the door. Good Luck Roger and I wish you well and I hope those offended in the EMA community don't think less of the WMA community because of this incident. The Bear.