I agree. In the face of a troll such as yourself one should do well to remain calm. A lot of useless dribble snipped. If you really want to know (to paraphrase Cloudz and FQ) just go and do. Well as a Javanese I can tell you that Martial Arts was WELL known in England for hundreds (if not thousands) of years before the '60's. Your prejudice is showing. The only real answers any of us will appreciate is when we can feel it for ourselves. Anything else is hyperbole. Talking won't help you to arrive at the insight you purport to seek. Talking MIGHT provide some sign-posting on the road to understanding. Now go and do something ... N.B. Fire Quan & Cloudz ... great posts I read of yours in this thread! Totally agree with you in the main.