@nasigoreng ...The old silat teacher is using the terminology correctly IMO . So would everyone from my personal heritage refer to Tae Kwon Do as silat if it arose in a discussion. There is obviously a different perspective from the outside, that defines silat as being stylistically identifiable. While I disagree with this (from the inside), I can understand how it has become so. @ap Oweyn ... I don't think it's a case of being too broad or narrow, but a case of the development of a new modern meaning that is different from its original use. Well, that's language for you!