McGregor gone?

Discussion in 'MMA' started by Mushroom, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. Madao13

    Madao13 Valued Member

    if his twitter was a false statement, then he just crossed the thin line between being entertaining and being a clown.

    It's logical to lose people's respect with something like that.
    Also, I agree with an older post of yours that Mcgregor keeps finding excuses for his loss.

    The problem is if he really believes those things which seems to be the case.
    He doesn't seem to realize that Nate is a legit boxer with the kind of reach advantage that will once again spell Conor's doom if he doesn't make the proper adjustments.
    I don't see Mcgregor beating Nate anyway, so it might be better for him not to fight Diaz.
  2. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    And all of those people are just as likely to buy the PPV as they were before, plus, all the hundreds of thousands of people who have never been interested in MMA before they started reading about Conor McGregor on sports sites that don't normally report on it.

    Everytime McGregor tweets, it gets on the front page of the BBC Sports website (with its 70m unique visitors per month). How many times have the UFC's press conferences been reported on major mainstream sports websites? How many people are talking about the press conference that McGregor got dropped for not attending? I literally don't know a thing about that press conference, except Conor McGregor didn't attend.

    McGregor has done more to promote this fight than any fighter ever has in the history of the UFC - and the fight isn't even happening!
  3. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Maybe, but he isnt paid to decide what and when he does the promotion, thats down to his employees isnt it?
  4. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    He isn't paid to do promotion full stop and he doesn't have an employer
  5. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    He isnt paid to do promotion?
    im pretty sure the contract for the fight would have said you had to do promotion, film commercials for the event and so on, either that or all the others fighters just turned up and took time out of their schedules because they are nice people :confused:
  6. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    The contract requires them to do promotion, but they aren't paid for it. They are paid only for the fight.

    If they do all the promotion and get injured the day before the fight, they don't get paid.
  7. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    and if they don't fulfill their contractual duties they dont fight and don't get paid
  8. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    However the contractual duties appear to be poorly defined by the contract in such a way as to benefit the employer.
  9. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    The marginal pay they receive for promotional duties is $0. Therefore they are not paid for promotional duties.
  10. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    nope but if they don't fulfill there contractual duties they get pulled from the fight and then they wont get paid at all,

    Conor seems to feel he is above his contracted duties if you don't fulfill your contractual duties you tend not to get paid.

    f you do they will sometimes pay even if the fight doesn't happen as in the case of Rose Namajunas and Nina Ansaroff at UFC 187 for example.
  11. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Apparently conor doesn't have an employer...

    Lets say for the sake of argument he does, and the contract is written in such a way to benefit the employer, that's not exactly new or something unique to the UFC every employer tries to write contracts that benefit them more than the person they are paying?

    Also no one forces them to sign contracts and fight in the UFC, conor has made a fortune off the UFC contracts he has previously signed and fulfilled, did he honestly think he could suddenly not do what he has done previously and there wouldnt be any comeback?

    its either a very good con job on the part of the ufc and conor to uniquely promote a fight that..well didn't need promoting... or he seriously thinks he is bigger than the UFC and can dictate terms to them AFTER signing a contract which im not sure would work out well for him.
  12. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    This doesn't make the argument that fighters are paid to promote. They are not. It is a contractual obligation, albeit an unpaid one. The UFC pays for transportation, accommodation and food but not for the fighters' time.
  13. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    They have made a demand he felt was unreasonable. He has disputed this vague section of the contract because he felt it was unreasonable. This is how employment disputes work. If the contract is vague and not applied equally to all then you don't know whether their demands are reasonable until they make them.
  14. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    But what are his contracted duties?
    3 promotional events? 30? Whatever the UFC can squeeze out of him?
    If the UFC had it written in that he had to do 10, he only wanted to do 5 and everyone else was doing their 10 then I think you'd have more of a point.
    But as it is he's doing far more promotion than any other UFC fighter.
    Clearly the contracts are written in such a way that the UFC can basically put on as many promotional events as they can. While the fighter is trying to do only as many promotional events as they have to in order to fit in training, maximise their exposure and PPV points and build their own brand.
    This kind of back and forth is what you get when contracts are left deliberately vague on both sides.
    He has to do "X". The UFC want him to do "X". But McGee and the UFC don't agree what "X" actually is and "X" is not clearly defined in the contracts (as far as we can see with Alvarez's contract).

    Personally given how much McGee has brought to the UFC already, how vital a win over Diaz is (for McGee brand and his continued success in the UFC!) I'd give him some leeway on how much promotion he personally has to travel to do (given that his tweets get more coverage than press conferences).
    I think people are also overlooking the fact that McGee lives on a different continent than most other American based UFC fighters. Getting to Vegas is a lot harder from Iceland than it is from LA.
  15. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

    People keep saying 'employer' for some reason. UFC fighters are subcontractors, in fact. This allows the UFC to avoid as much obligation towards them as possible while still locking them into onerous non-compete, matching and extension clauses.
  16. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    It feels very similar to how the WWE calls its wrestlers subcontractors to avoid liability and insurance.
  17. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    It is 7th Grade algebra.

    X + Y = Z
    Y = Z
    X = ?
  18. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    42. The answer is 42. Right?
  19. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    The UFC losing $4200000 perhaps......
  20. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    It's ok, you're pretty enough to not need maths.

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