Mayweather v Maidana

Discussion in 'Boxing' started by Boardeaux, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. Boardeaux

    Boardeaux Valued Member

    Got the best birthday present this week. Trip to Vegas and tickets for this fight! I'm so excited I had to post.

    Anyone been to a vegas fight before? Got any tips to share?
     
  2. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    No, I haven't, sad to say. I did look into it a couple years back when our club owner was still an active fighter, we were thinking about taking a trip out to see it.

    Usually, the tickets are part of a package that includes airfare, hotel, drinks at the Casino, a couple of dinners, at least and of course the fight.

    Should be memorable for you.
     
  3. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    awesome man... congrats! Really good fight card too.
     
  4. Madao13

    Madao13 Valued Member

    Bordeaux, you must have had a blast with the kind of fight you watched!
    It was really competitive and exciting. The atmosphere in the arena seemed great!

    I liked the match and I am gonna rewatch it when I find the time.
    I am really glad that someone decided to fight it out with Floyd and take chances
    I was especially frustrated with Canelo's performance and his lack of guts.
     
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  5. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    R.I.P amir khan's groin :p
     
  6. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    I fully believe Floyd lost a lot of rounds on purpose. I had him up by 2-3 at the end, but I as I thought about it last night and watched the post fight presser, I got to thinking that since he isn't going to fight Manny (not likely) there isn't really anyone else left in the WW division. What better way to hype a fight than to make yourself look more vunerable? I've watched the fight 2 or 3 times and the majority of Maidana's shots were still not landing cleanly. I think it was a business tactic. Floyd now has 3 fights left on his contract. He will likely school Maidana in a rematch (assuming there is one) and then completely school khan. khan's so high on himself it's unreal for a guy who's been stopped twice. Now that Floyd looks beatable, it will only increase ticket sales for his last 3 fights.

    That all being said, that's just my theory on the subject. On the other hand, Maidana certainly did all he could for a guy with a limited skillset, but he's awkward and while you had khan bragging about how much better he beat Maidana, he forgets that Marcos has improved by leaps and bounds since their fight and khan is lucky to have had a kind ref when they fought otherwise most refs would have stopped it in the 10th. I think Maidana completely flattens khan now. Much respect to Maidana though, overall he stepped up and did all he could do to beat a guy that's technically superior to him, he just came up a bit to short.
     
  7. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    Yeah, I cannot believe they didn't take a point from that moron for pushing Luis' head down for about 30 of the 45 minutes that 12 rds takes. Pathetic refs all over last night.
     
  8. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    i'm still chuckling over the replay local tv showed here. slow mo side shot showing collazo's arm cocking back for the upper cut, freeze frame, slow zoom towards khan's crotch, BOOM! :evil:
     
  9. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    yep, khan deserved it too.
     
  10. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    I've not had a chance to see it, yet - but you say you thought he lost a number by design? Hmmm....I don't know...I could see Floyd maybe trying that on someone who was just completely an outta-step tomato-can with there being nearly an impossibility that the opponent had enough skill to win, aside from lightening strike - an almost embarrassed Mayweather would do that for maybe one, or two rounds...but I think self-perseverance, pride and most of all - habit - they do make a habit of those winning ways - would prevent more of that.

    I think he had more respect for Maidana and the potential threat he could bring under conditions, to do too much of that.

    Something to think about, though.
     
  11. Madao13

    Madao13 Valued Member

    That thought crossed my mind as well when I was watching the fight.
    That Mayweather didn't give his all in order one of the last 3 fights to be again with Maidana, instead of someone of bigger caliber.
    But it's too far-fetched. I don't know..
    The fact that Maidana was the only one who fought giving his all was the important factor imo. Alvarez, Guerero, they both looked like they weren't trying enough to my eyes.

    On another note, guys, check this out http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/muh...yweather-to-rumble-with-manny-pacquiao-244804

    The Greatest Himself asked Floyd to fight with Manny Pacquiao!
     
  12. Zinowor

    Zinowor Moved on

    I was disappointed by Mayweather's lack of a proper gameplan and proper adjustment. I was hoping the entire fight Mayweather would start an infight, because his punches are way more compact and short than Maidana's. I can understand Maidana's comment that he felt Mayweather didn't fight like a man and also that he was the one who won the fight.

    But I honestly can't decide if the fight was a draw or a 1 point difference win for Mayweather.

    Maidana certainly didn't win the fight, but perhaps Mayweather didn't either. Very tough fight to judge a victor from. I'm not interested in a rematch btw. I don't like messy fights like this.
     
  13. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    My own conspiracy theory completely aside, I felt Maidana won most of the first 5 rounds, but most judges are just not going to go for roughhouse and wrestling tactics, low blows, takedowns, etc. Queensbury rules state "No wrestling or hugging allowed". He won on effective aggression during many rounds, but lost in both clean, effective punching, defense, and ring generalship IMO.

    On another note... Floyd didn't adjust? I think he adjusted quite well, there isn't a whole lot to adjust to when your opponent is all but standing on top of your head, holding your arms, and using his head as a third hand. Floyd adjusted by doing things that would cause the ref to halt the fight, and then would turn Maidana around and get back to the center, when he was against the ropes he covered and didn't really quit moving which is why I could not give some rounds to Maidana because his punches were just being thrown, but not effective and most didn't even land... hence his 26% connect rate vs. Floyd's 54%.
     
  14. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    It is reaching a little, but either he got old, or he was really doing what he said which was "make the fight more competitive"... in his own words he said that it was "a catch 22, if I'm in a competitive fight people are like what's wrong with Floyd?, but if I beat a guy easily they said it was boring". Floyd has yet to learn that you can please some people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time.

    Think about this for a second though. Let's say you let the people talk, and see how much there is or isn't a demand for a rematch. If it's high.. then that makes more money because the only guys left with a name would be I guess khan and Floyd has always said he would like to fight in the UK. Garcia... who is an easy win and really just isn't very good and should have lost his last fight. Maidana's name is going to likely be higher on that list than the other 2 though. There's 3 fights... 3 fights left on his contract... 49-0? Maybe so.

    Edit: There is also some rumors of him fighting Quillen for a belt at 160. Floyd's Father however has said Floyd will not fight at 160. I think Quillen is the easiest fight out of the all though honestly. There is also the thought that he could rematch Cotto at 160 in the case that he beats Sergio.
     
  15. Boardeaux

    Boardeaux Valued Member

    Just got back. Had a great time, what an atmosphere! Those Argentinians were singing all the way through, even the under card fights when they couldn't even see Maidana. The locals had had enough though after the 150th rendition of "ole ole ole, chino, chino" and started responding with cries of "shut the heck up!", generally good natured though.

    I know there's not a lot of love for Khan on here but I thought he looked pretty good against Collazo, thought he would get the KO rather than it going the distance especially with Collazo dropping his guard completely after the 4th/5th round? Does he normally fight like that?

    My impression of the main fight though was that Mayweather was pretty much in control all the way through. I don't see how it could have been scored as a draw let alone a win for Maidana.

    I wonder if the Froch-Groves fight goes well at Wembley this month whether he'd consider fighting Khan there? Would easily sell out but not sure how that would effect pay per view sales what with the time difference
     
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  16. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    It would be hard if it were close in the least for Floyd to get the decision there, so though I know he would like to fight there... not sure if he would risk it. Hometown fighters almost always get the advantage.

    Collazo doesn't normally do that, but supposedly khan may be the fight next May with Floyd, but I believe he will lose again by then if he fights anyone decent. Luis really disappointed me with his crying to the ref, but at the same time, I've never seen someone push a guys head down so many times in my life. khan also got stung by Collazo. I am convinced that not only can khan not win vs. Floyd, but that he doesn't make it even halfway through the fight. I would rather see him rematch Maidana (khan) and see if he escapes a knockout loss again... I don't think he would.

    Collazo knew he was an underdog and that the decision would go to khan unless he beat him up completely and knocked him down several times during the course. I think Luis knew that once the ref allowed the head pushing to continue several times and so he just made khan look like a punk in taking his shots and even when he was knocked down he was never really hurt. Collazo took his 350k and went with it.
     
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  17. Pearlmks

    Pearlmks Valued Member

    At one point in the beginning it looked like Maidana wanted to throw a knee. He caught himself just in time!!!!
     
  18. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    I saw him try to knee him later in the fight as well. Perhaps it was out of frustration, Maidana is a good fighter, but I cannot say that some of his tactics shouldn't have resulted in at least 1 point being deducted. Such as the tackle and then hitting Floyd while he was down.

    On another note, there's now a lot of talk of Floyd vs. Quillen @ 160 next. Quillen IMO is an easy fight, but the size difference could be the difference there.
     
  19. Zinowor

    Zinowor Moved on

    He did adjust, but not in the way I would've liked.

    I fully believe that if Floyd turned the fight into an infight, he would've KO'ed Maidana. But it's just an opinion.

    The connect rate was in Floyd's favor, but he only landed exactly 2 more punches. Which means that Maidana made the fight and had success with it. I agree about Floyd having more ring generalship in the fight, but it was Maidana's fight that night. Not Floyd's, otherwise it would've looked quite a bit different. In the end, Floyd couldn't prevent the fight from looking like a brawl.

    Having said that, I don't think Maidana won and he should've had atleast 1 point deducted for the foul play which would've put Floyd ahead. Perhaps that's how those 2 judges came to such wide margins in Floyd's advantage.

    Ignoring the points that should've been deducted, I had Floyd winning by 1 round. But it could've been either 2 points or a draw. Like I said, it's a very tough fight to score.
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2014
  20. Saved_in_Blood

    Saved_in_Blood Valued Member

    Slowing the fight down a bit helps me when I look at any of them to see what landed and what didn't. The telling shots landed by Floyd were right in front of your face, while the majority of shots landed by Marcos were the kind of punch where you go "did that land?" I can't really see. He was smothering his own work to much to get any sort of clear decision. Not to mention the 17 lb weight advantage on fight night... rehydration cap anyone? 165 lbs? The guy was basically a super middle weight Saturday.
     

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