Lyoto Machida

Discussion in 'Karate' started by Palace_denizen, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. Palace_denizen

    Palace_denizen Valued Member

    Does anybody have a good summary of what modifications he has made to a standard shotokan training ?

    i know he also has a bjj background, uses boxing gloves & headguards to do some sparring work, is akward since he is lefthanded.
    apparently he no longer uses ushiro geri ( reverse spinning back-kick).
    he also claims to have SUMO.
    basically, before we drown in information, what are the top 5 things he has done to change his shotokan ?
     
  2. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    1) He used shotokan in the ring.
    2) He made shotokan work for him in the ring.

    That's about it to be honest. There are plenty of threads here on him, and you can find lots of interviews on the net. He has trained with MT people to find the best defenses against MT style fighting (but he uses shotokan to accomplish this), he has quite a high belt in BJJ to defend himself against BJJ practitioners. He has sumo to help with his wrestling.

    Everything standup however is ring-tailored shotokan. Just like you or I would end up doing it if we were in a ring for long enough.
     
  3. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

    (1) You.
    (2) Are.
    (3) Eye.
    (4) Enn.
    (5) Ee.
     
  4. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    (1) He trained in a striking art where he sparred a lot using his techniques against a resisting opponent who was fighting back.
    (2) He trained in a grappling art when he rolled against a resisting opponent who was fighting back.
    (3) He trained the two together so he could flow with it in freestyle sparring.
    (4) He entered amateur competitions so he could build up experience.
    (5) He continues to train hard and in a realistic fashion.

    Just like any other fighter.
     
  5. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    what?

    Edit: Oh, I see. lol.

    I doubt that's what made him so good at what he does. But it's probably where he got his super jellyfish sting resisting powers from.
     
  6. Palace_denizen

    Palace_denizen Valued Member

    as well as what lyoto has added to his training, what has he removed from his shotokan ?
    stepping forward and blocking age uke for example ?
     
  7. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machida_Karate

    "machida karate", from what can be gathered via that article, is basically the machidas (which are awesome nevertheless) going on an ego trip and saying they are the "true" karate because they teach stuff that everybody teaches anyway.
     
  8. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    There's a big difference between just being taught a technique, and training a technique.
     
  9. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    read the link. they apparently claim that knees, elbows, takedowns, locks, etc, are "lost techniques", and that they can only be found in machida karate, which we all know is not only untrue, but laughable, and that, newbies aside, only someone who is only exposed to modern sports krotty would believe
     
  10. pmosiun

    pmosiun Valued Member

    Who is Lyoto Machida?
     
  11. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    I don't think anyone uses such techniques in kumite. At least I hope not!
     
  12. koyo

    koyo Passed away, but always remembered. RIP.

    He uses the PRINCIPLES of timing,distancing,unbalancing and exposive attack.

    Since he learned these from shotokan it is clear to anyone who trained in shotokan to see.

    he also uses one of the most valuable aspects of a fighter..CROSSTRAINING.
     
  13. liero

    liero Valued Member

    Your new god...
     
  14. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    If you like Lyoto, check out this guy:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImXBLkK4_A&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImXBLkK4_A&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8h-jJTmJfI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8h-jJTmJfI[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TKG4gHzUUI&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TKG4gHzUUI&feature=related[/ame]

    So this guy fights/fought in WKF style and K-1 style. Regardless of if he wins or loses, it proves that translating a karate-ka's techniques is more than possible
     
  15. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    I frequently step forward in kumite. :hat:
     
  16. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    You trend setting, convention bucking trailblaizer! You'll be telling me such nonsense like you step to the side next!!!
     
  17. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    Never, I do shotokan! :hat: :hat:
     
  18. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

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  19. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Actually, check the original quote from the link on Wikipedia.

    http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/10/15/lyoto-machida-out-to-make-traditional-martial-arts-proud

    "Machida implements strikes like knees and elbows that were taught in ancient Karate but were eliminated from sport Karate."

    I would be more inclined to say this is true, as how many knees and elbows score in Shotokan jiyu kumite competitions?

    Just a simple misquote, really.
     
  20. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    fair enough. this seems to be another case of wiki saying stuff that isn't there
     

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