Kwonkicker again

Discussion in 'Thai Boxing' started by fire cobra, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. fire cobra

    fire cobra Valued Member

    [ame=""]‪Kwonkicker Taekwondo seminar @ Tiger Muay Thai & MMA Training Camp, Phuket, Thailand‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
  2. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    How do they refer to him as "kwonkicker" without laughing?
  3. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Seems like a decent bloke. Good on him for stepping out of his comfort zone and being willing to share concepts with other stylists.
  4. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Could be me but looks like the workshop is primarily tourists that are day training. Nothing wrong with that... but... the nak muays there in Thailand would dismantle a lot of what he's on about in very short order indeed. For my money I'd be more willing to take the time to get back to this type of technique training:

    [ame=""]‪Muay Thai Technique from legend Poot Lor Lek‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Kwon was a special type and has a small level of notoriety...he claimed he could fight a Muay Thai guy using ony his TKD. Anyone looking at his videos can see this is clearly not the case, yet he still seems to claim it is.

    He does seem like a good guy, and again props for stepping up, but call a spade a spade...what he is doing is not TKD
  6. mrmg06

    mrmg06 Valued Member

    It's not TKD because it actually kinda works?
  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    ooh...zing! :)

    Seriously though, he undermines his credibility by claiming one thing and doing something else. This is a shame because he actually did prove something
  8. tkd GU

    tkd GU Valued Member

    Really? How so? Because of his downward roundhouse or use of flying knees? Despite what you may believe, the art of taekwondo actually goes far beyond what you see in competition. Olympic taekwondo only showcases a tiny portion of the art because of rules created to make it a relatively safe combat sport. Also, mind that there are many variations in the way taekwondo is taught, as with any martial art, so what you perceive to be "actual" taekwondo might be scoffed at by many masters.
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No because he is doing muay thai

    Contrary to what people in korean arts are often fed in their kool aid it does not hold all the answers - and before you trot out the same old tired nonsense yes i have had exposure to "r34l TKD"

    There is certainly a TKD flavour to certain moves KK does, but he does more MT than anything - shame he cannot put his ego aside and admit this.
  10. tkd GU

    tkd GU Valued Member

    No art holds all the answers, they are just templates to give direction in training. If a martial artist attempted to use every technique imaginable, he wouldn't do any of them particularly good because there is no focus. Besides, I hardly see what his ego has to do with it, if anything the MT-ness of his movements just shows his openness and adaptability as a martial artist. Also, being immersed in a new environment usually causes subtle changes in a person, like how my accent depends on where I am and who I'm with. You make it seem like he's some Korean uber-master's scribe sent out to convince the world that tkd is the originator of every style in the world. Don't get upset because a taekwondoist can do something you thought was reserved for r3al-d3al fighters.
  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    You seem to have the agenda here, not me - and for the record i am not a MT or TKD stylist so i am looking at it with objectivity

    I always gave him props for taking his training and testing himself - more people should do this. His ego has everything to do with it - basically he stated "I can beat muay thai with my TKD" and he went to thailand to show this. a short time later he is clearly heavily doing MT and is now claiming "it was just for the conditioning"


    Last time i checked the thais did not have a monopoly on that and the reason he is saying it seems to be because to admit otherwise would prove that he did not have all the answers he thought he did.

    why is it everyone who comes from a particular school gets sand in the vajayjay whenever anyone offers any level of observation against it?

    this is not a style vs style situation - it is a what you say against what you do situation

    If he said he was going to win an MMA bout with judo and proceeded to punch someone in the face i would be equally critical
  12. fire cobra

    fire cobra Valued Member

    Hello Slip:0.

    Putlorlek my fav fighter from that era,Im hoping to train with him this year:)
  13. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Yo FC long time no see!

    Yeah man he's got some interesting stuff. Much of which you don't see in Muay Thai anymore. At least not much outside of particular camps in Thailand. Very very interesting! :)
  14. fire cobra

    fire cobra Valued Member

    Yeah Slip,putlorleks left kick to the neck superb.

    I take it you have viewed his fight with Sagart Porntawee from this year Slip?:)
  15. jaggernautico

    jaggernautico Valued Member

    Put is tremendous. Would love to train with him one day. Was introduced to all his fights through v giordano, who put out the compilation with that training clip on it, he saved it from the early nineties. It spread around internet after he talked about put and put out some clips and fights on put on dvd many years ago.
  16. Killa_Gorillas

    Killa_Gorillas Banned Banned

    You fail and you are a pathetic bitch.
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2011
  17. Waldgeist

    Waldgeist Men who beg aren't heroes

    Just wondering where and when he said this. As far as I can tell, he calls his style "Taekwondo Kickboxing", and claims it is primarily TKD (which it obviously isn't), but on his youtube channel description he says:

    "I've also cross-trained both formally and informally in various other striking and grappling styles."

    Yeah he's got a bit of an ego, but as far as I can see he isn't claiming to be using 100% TKD at all.
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2011
  18. shotokanster

    shotokanster New Member

    This guys kicking and overall style is awesome, i don't think it is a what style you practise it's down to the individual and this individual has got it.
  19. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I'll have to dig up the thread....give me a bit of time
  20. fire cobra

    fire cobra Valued Member

    Guess that depends what viewpoint your looking from,to me his style is average.

    Plus I think it does matter what style you practice,depending on your goals of course:)

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