Kuk Sool Zero Tolerance

Discussion in 'Kuk Sool' started by Gary, Sep 8, 2010.

  1. jamesdevice

    jamesdevice Jötunn

    I'm convinced that the two are one and the same person, but I guess we'll have to wait and see the truth of that
  2. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    Ha! That's pretty funny, JD. Given the level of sophistication in seongins posts, and his contributions to this KSW forum, and the number of times he has been thanked in his posts, I think it is pretty evident we are not the same person, especially when you compare them to my posts.
  3. unknown-KJN

    unknown-KJN Banned Banned

    Your self-deprecatory tone belies your intent. :evil:
  4. jamesdevice

    jamesdevice Jötunn

    when you look at the stats, of the 12 posts thanked by SeongIn, five have been to posts by Isumisu - thats 41.6%
    Of the 194 posts thanked by Isumisu, 18 have been to posts by SeongIn - 9.28%
    No, I suppose theres no similarity there. They must just like each other a lot
  5. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    When members here want to retain their anonymity then generally that in it's self has to be respected by us all however; when people, that's anyone here who uses an alias, begin to make authoritative statements, challenge other people's opinions or point's of view and/or perhaps post material which is plainly wrong, then it becomes necessary to establish, at least the minimum amount of information, relating to the individual's MA background.

    We're not talking about issuing requests for social security numbers or IP addresses - both of which could be miss-used but, we are talking about validating at least the experience levels of those who wish to speak authoritatively on subjects within these forums.

    In my opinion, refusing or being unprepared to discuss one's rank, years of experience and or the styles of MA one has been involved in, illustrates a level of ignorance toward those fellow members who are willing to give their time and share their experiences openly in the spirit of these forums.

    It is an excuse, to retort that it is "rude to ask"

    It is an excuse, to retort that "this is personal information"

    Whilst it my not be part of this website's TOS to divulge one's rank or experience within your chosen martial art(s) if it is relevant to a discussion then people should be prepared to provide that information. Again, we're not talking about requests for entire martial art curriculum vitae, but simple, easy to answer questions which would add weight to an opinion.

    Again, in my opinion, if you want to discuss a topic and in doing so present your opinion or information in an authoritative manner or present yourself in such a way that your statements draw attention to yourself, then be prepared for the inevitable questions which qualify (or not) what you have to say.

  6. Pugil

    Pugil Seeker of truth

    Abso-flipping-lutely Dave! Otherwise I might as well go on a forum that discusses matters relating to science, medicine and/or the universe generally, and make some self-opinionated statements with no real knowledge, experience and/or substance to back it up!
  7. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    By and large forums like these are primarily self-regulated.

    Yes this website has topic mods and administrators however, they cannot be expected to read every single post within every single thread, and that leaves us, the mere mortals who populate the site who are in a much better position (because we're involved in the specific discussions) to be able to identify when and where an issue exists. If it's a clear cut example where its plainly obvious reporting the post is the correct course of action, then we use it however, you can't report a post because you believe someone's opinion is unqualified. That's why we ask the questions which - apparently - create so much drama for those so anally retentive of that information.

    There is absolutely no reason why someone couldn't reveal what rank they hold and how many years experience they have unless:

    1 They are not what they purport to be

    2 They genuinely cannot divulge that information (this is very rare) - in that situation then they should refrain from discussions which draw attention to themselves.

    3 They are intentionally acting in such a way to create drama

    There are very few (genuine) reasons for refusing to discuss one's own MA background, there are however many excuses for not doing so. When people start with excuses, I no longer find myself able to take what they say seriously. In my experience, reasons 1 and 3 are the most likely and common.
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2011
  8. Dragon2

    Dragon2 Valued Member

    Thanks Dave. You hit the nail on the head. I wish I could of come up with your statement. While reading your posts I realized that you have a College degree by the use of some words in your statement which hold some weight in your words. D2
  9. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Thank you but I was mainly educated in the Armed Forces having spent most of my youth avoiding school.

    I just don't suffer fools gladly.
  10. Pugil

    Pugil Seeker of truth

    Me neither Dave!
  11. Obewan

    Obewan "Hillbilly Jedi"

    Is this the words your referring to "anally retentive". :D
  12. unknown-KJN

    unknown-KJN Banned Banned

    Maybe that ought to be, "annually representative"?? :dunno:

    What can I say about post #25 except that it is TOTALLY wrong. Whassamatter, Dave, afraid if you call someone out by name you'll be accused of being a troll? I mean, there's no need to dance around exactly WHO you're referring to, by continually using the phrase "some people." :rolleyes:

    For heaven's sake, GROW a PAIR! And talk straight from the hip. :woo: If you're speaking to a particular individual, then use their (screen) name. All the things you claim are so necessary to conduct a decent conversation (viz. rank, style, experience, etc.) are nice to have, but IMO are not crucial. If you discover the person doesn't comprehend at the level you'd expect, then mentally dismiss what they offer (they DO have the right to make contributions, after all). If you care to bother, you can submit proof supporting your stance on the matter, which may refute their POV. Devolving the discussion into a flame-war, merely shows that you lack the emotional resolve to participate in an online forum in the true spirit in which it was intended to be used.

    Furthermore, if you don't like what someone contributes here on the forum, there's always the IGNORE button. IMO, it's you who are being so melodramatic and *blowing things outta proportion* to which I offer a solution... make use of the ignore feature, it might just do your obviously elevated blood pressure some good. :thinking:

    I wonder if it's anything like what *they* say about homophobes? You know, that people who so demonstrably exhibit their HATRED of homosexuals, are the very same people who (secretly) harbor such inclinations themselves, and are unhappy about facing that shocking truth. IDK but I'm leaning in that direction, especially after seeing how difficult it is for you to DROP the issue of not getting the info you demanded (and which NO ONE has to surrender if they choose to keep it to themselves).
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2011
  13. Obewan

    Obewan "Hillbilly Jedi"

    What? Are you coming out of the closet Unk? :eek:
  14. Pugil

    Pugil Seeker of truth

    I hate just about everyone Unk, so what do you deduce from that?
  15. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    Or better yet, one could actually start a thread in which the topic of discussion is actually something along the lines of: Rank, Style, Years in Training/Grade, Teachers, and so on.

    That way topics relevant to thread started by an OP can still be discussed, and those that wish to discuss other matters can do so freely in a thread designed for that purpose, instead of derailing a thread with off topic material that isn't going to change the content of what was posted that may be brought into question by a few individuals.

    Ahh, but if I am expected to consider what this suspect mapper is posting...you might ask , right?

    In that case you have already made up your minds and straying even more off topic still detracts from not only the contributions or lack of, but also serves yo derail the thread by pursuing issues of a personal nature that have little to do with ideas, concepts, questions, theories, suggestions... made in a thread.

    So if you can't accept or dismiss a post that you either like or do not like based on what is written in the post, knowing ones rank, style, years in grade or who their instructors are isn't automatically going to give you the intellect needed to analyze and comprehend what that suspect mapper has posted.

    Either you agree, partially agree, or disagree with what that individual posts and that does not have to be constant. It is possible to agree with an individual in one post and disagree with them in the same or next post.

    All of this is possible here on MAP. And without needing to know anything additional about an individual other than the ideas, concepts, precepts and postulations present in their posts.

    See, I can make that post and it matters not that I also have a blue belt from 10 years ago in an art other than aikido, or that I practiced KSW for a short stint while I was a teen, or that I like Dave Humm also was quite proficient at avoiding and ditching school.
  16. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Really you can't see past recent events to realise I'm speaking far more generally than that?
    Please don't patronise me with that rubbish mate.. Perhaps you haven't noticed but I don't post from behind an alias and besides, my statements were not made or intended to be a part of a witch-hunt.

  17. CosmicFish

    CosmicFish Aleprechaunist

    Much as the child in me would love to see a thread about a zero tolerance policy descend into the kind of bickering it was created to try to counter, the adult in me would hate to see the bannings that might result from that.

    Cool it please folks. Disagree all you want, but do it in a civil manner.
  18. Hyeongsa

    Hyeongsa The Duelist

    Maybe we should have just one thread that is an all out flame war and if everyone wants to rip into each other, we do it on there and not derail educational threads....

    It's somewhat annoying because on some threads theres a nice discussion when *BAM* out of nowhere comes someone and starts a full on argument or starts flinging insults back and forth. I think it would be benneficial. Or we could just use our brains and do it via PM like the good lord, I mean MODS, expects of us? LOL
  19. unknown-KJN

    unknown-KJN Banned Banned

    Bully for you! (pun intended) And that's your prerogative to be more forthcoming, Dave, but there's no need to throw a hissy fit if others here on MAP prefer a hint of *mystery* as to their identity. :yeleyes:
  20. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    ..Because you we'rent discussing a specific facet of a martial art, your rank or the years you've studied have nothing to do with what you've just written, hence, it's an irrelevant issue however; if we're discussing the technicalities of a particular waza - in aikido where there are different styles and methodologies - understanding what style of aikido you study (for example) adds a great deal of context to the statements you may make in the discussion.

    When someone chooses not to answer a simple question like "what style do you study" in the context of a discussion where that information is relevant, some people, including myself, begin to wonder why such a simple question meets with such disdain. There's no difference in what rank someone holds or the years they've trained - unless there's something to hide.

    I don't expect everyone to agree with my point of view, nor did I post my original comments as a definitive statement on the subject. People are entitled to their own opinions, including me.


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