Kuk Sool won/Lost my way

Discussion in 'Kuk Sool' started by Hyung1988, Jul 13, 2016.

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  1. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    I caught you in a statement and you are trying to crawfish from it. It is okay, I get it. You want to prove your style is best, I don't care. So, now you're saying your style puts on 16oz gloves and goes at it?
  2. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    He responded on 9/22/2017 to my response.
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Reading comprehension wasn't your best subject in school was it?
  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No they didn't
  5. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    Really ? How or where ?
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Actually worth pointing out in all caps so even the most linguistically challenged can understand I AM NOT A PRACTITIONER OF KYOKUSHIN OR MMA

    So whilst I am not advocating for a style I am advocating for a method
  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    There is also a blissfully unaware irony in someone claiming their style is best decrying someone claiming their style is best
  8. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Depends on whose traditions you are following.
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  9. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    I got straight A's, but hey you keep being you!

    I absolutely agree and that's why I don't make those claims.

    Yep! I agree! Those full faced caged masked are hilarious, whereas boxing is way more hardcore. It's an endless game, isn't it?

    But yeah, show me where you would be okay with straight on full force kicks to sensitive areas in your style? Even cage fighting his its limits, but go on with your bad self!
  10. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Dude, ease up on the passive aggressive posts.
  11. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    You're correct, it was a different poster. upload_2017-12-10_13-13-2.png
    But it doesn't matter, does it? Y'all have taken up his mantle on this subject.
  12. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

  13. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    My post isn't passive aggressive.

    It's pointing out that there is obviously pressure testing in TMA.
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  14. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No irony is not being able to see the cognitive dissonance in your posts - and yes you absolutely ARE claiming a stylistic superiority...just read your posts again

    You are creating some the worst strawmen examples seen in quite some time

    Lets just say there are two methods or training - pressure and non pressure...if you train the former you succeed under duress, if not you won't. For me I will take the proven methodology of military, Law Enforcement, Athletes and Combat specialists over any amount of dojo based anecdote and any "too deadly to spar" tripe trotted out by those who only think they understand the realities of violence and self protection

    "You never rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training" - Archilochus c300 BC
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  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Whereas playing patty cake in fresh air totally prepares you....
  16. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    What about the mixed martial arts fights that take place in a ring... Or even on mats in some instances? The discipline is MMA. The common ruleset is the unified rules of MMA. I apologize for being a pedant but the only people who use the term cage fighting are promoters, wannabe showoffs and the uninformed. In most instances this is for sensationalism and self-glorification but in your case I believe it was used to illustrate your perception of MMA training as extreme and barbarous; a position you have reached through erroneously extrapolating from the extreme violence of competition. This speaks to your lack of exposure.

    As would MMA techniques. They are only held on to submission or until the ref steps in, in competition; even still you see broken limbs, dislocation and unconsciousness. I will concede that small joint manipulation is prohibited.

    I understand you have KSW experience and more than me, however I can see I have substantially more MMA experience than you and this does appear to be the topic of conversation. So where does that leave us?

    I agree mostly.

    Regarding 'tradition schools' (and avoiding semantics around the term traditional) I thinks it a widespread systemic problem with training methodology that pressure isn't more pervasive in practice. But it isn't always the case (KK for example) and doesn't even have to be if teaching is progressive.

    This whole paragraph speaks to your inexperience with and ignorance of MMA practices; an ignorance which is reinforced by your misrepresentation of the poster's desire for contact in training.

    In all fairness your point to move away from KSW seems perfectly valid as my extremely limited exposure to its training practices would lead me to believe is is extremely soft. I don't think you need to pretend that all traditional arts function/should function this way or need to paint a false disparity between 'super violent cage fighting training raaagh' and traditional training. Your fundamental lack of knowledge about MMA strikes me as something that should encourage you not to speak about it until better informed and avoid polarising the training spectrum as you have.
  17. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    It isn't the topic of discussion. CullyKSW made some statements that he wasn't satisfied with a traditional school and that is what I responded to. I pointed him to cage fighting schools based on those statements, Kyokushin practitioners stepped in with absolute statements and I responded with absolute questions. I pointed out the business/clientele difference in MMA "gyms" compared to traditional "schools". I also pointed out Jiu Jitsu stays more traditional than cage fighting gyms. I never said barbaric or anything of the sorts in regards to MMA. Please go read ALL of my posts and who they are directed to.

    I think this is where the breakdown is occurring on your end. I'm talking directly about someone who purely referenced how a 60 minute class wasn't good for him. He made pretty telling statement that I've pointed out. Most would call it trolling, I've learned over the past 25 years how to deal with said trolling. "Send them on their way", which is what I did. Don't argue, don't debate, just send them away. :D

    I read this correctly. I've alluded to the business end of the martial arts world. There is a difference in the clientele and you know this to be true. MMA clientele are more "robust", if you will. Hell, I've had a blown out knee and broken jaw occur during sparring in my school preparing for the yearly tournament. He's complaining about light or no contact approach in KSW, but there is a reason for it. Both of those students? one never returned and the other kind of lost his desire for it.

    Let me finish with this, I've done countless throws, been thrown countless times, sparred countless time, I've twisted countless wrists, had mine twisted countless times, etc, etc etc. It is what KSW does, but it is still traditional. That is to say, there is a curriculum and a schedule that students together - to a point. While I do 4th dahn hyungs, 2nd dahns are doing their hyungs. Techniques? We do them as class attendance dictates. Sometimes beginners get to see intermediates and that proves very beneficial. As a teacher, I made it known that I will teach you what I think you can handle up to the next level and that pace is different for everyone, but you'll still only test once every three months. That is what I consider a progressive approach to traditional schools. If anyone complained I simply told them, "you still learned what you needed to advance" and "I spent identical time with you in class as I did everyone else"

    Let me as clear as possible. There is room in this world for ALL of the real styles and MMA and you know what I'm talking about. I will never dog out any other style or MMA - not a style in my lexicon. People need different things and we are here to provide it. KSW has been great to me and I'm blessed that I found it in 1992. Hope this all makes sense, as I may have gone all over the map with it.
  18. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    Really, please quote where I've made those statements? I've only said that certain things can't be practiced. by the way, any martial art that teaches kicking would be applicable to my question/statement. Oh, and why are on the KSW forum, if not just to debate how great your style is?
  19. Nilla

    Nilla New Member

    BOOM! There it is. Proof you've misread what I wrote. By the way, has CullyKSW signed up for Kyokushin? How's he liking it? Are you following along yet?
  20. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Are you suggesting a non KSW practitioner shouldn't make comment in this forum?
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