ITF Patterns - Who wrote what?

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do Resources' started by Mitch, Oct 31, 2009.

  1. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    I realised to my shame that although I know that many individuals were involved in the creating the ITF patterns, I don't know any more than that!

    I wonder if the assorted brainboxes of MAP (I'm looking at you StuartA and TKDStudent :D ) could come up with a list of who you think was involved with creating each pattern?

    Mitch
     
  2. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    The 1st Korean TKD pattern devised was HwaRang. It was created by Col Nam Tae Hi, who also did ChungMu, the 2nd 1 (1955). Then his student, the asst instructor of the OhDokwan Sgt Han Cha Kyo created UlJi in 1956. In 1961 GM CK Choi (Chang Keun Choi) helped with Gaebaek. The way the story goes is that Gen Choi had things in his head & he used these talented superman t chart it out on the floor. They, the martial artists, told him what fit, felt good & worked. They tweaked it & by 1959, the 1st 3 appeared in Gen Choi's 1st book on TKD.
    Gen Choi was then dispatched to Malaysia as an Ambassador in 1962. This was shortly afte the military coup that occurred on May 16, 1961. This coup was carried out by Choi's subordinate, Gen Park Chung Hee. Bad history & bad blood between the 2, with different visions of what should happen with the coup, started to widen the wedge between the 2. In order to cement his power, Gen Park ridded Korea of Gen Choi & whatever resistance he had by forcing him abroad in a diplomatic post. (This is vital to understanding TKD controversal & hidden history. Politics plays HUGE role in the development)
    While on Malaysia in 1962, he started teaching TKD. So Malaysia became the 2nd home to TKD, followed by the all important Vietnam in December of 1962, when Col Nam led the 1st batch of Army TKD instructors there. Ambassador Choi then sent for 2 of his star pupils to come to Malaysia. They were Sgt Major Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim. They helped him with the next 16 patterns. By 1965 gen Choi produced his 1st English book on TKD. It contained 20 Korean TKD patterns & karate katas.
    Finally in 1972, the bible of TKD was printed. In it all 24 patterns were there, including the final 4, Moon Moo, So San, Eui Am & Yong Gae. It is assummed, but I have not verified it, that GM JC Kim helped with these 4, as he was the chief instructor at ITF headquarters which he was instrumental in forming on March 22, 1966. It was also possible that GMs Kim Young Soo, Lee Byung Moo & Cho Sang Min may have helped as well, along with GM Park Jong Soo, who all were prominent at that time & location.
    Finally KoDang was replaced by Juche in the ealry 80s. It is a widely held belief that GM Park Jung tae designed it while living in NK, teaching the 1st batch of NK instructors, or shortly thereafter. It is also possible that gen Choi's son, Choi Jung Hwa & son in law, Michael Cormack, along with Master Lim Won Sup may have assisted to some extent.
    In any event Gen Choi had the final say & took all the credit. It is fairly clear that he also had the names of the patterns, with the definitions & diagram in his head, when he directed the movements.
    Hope this helps
     
  3. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Many thanks :)

    So, just to list them out:

    1. Chon-Ji -Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    2. Dan-Gun - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    3. Do-San - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    4. Won-Hyo - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    5. Yul-Gok - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    6. Joong-Gun - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    7. Toi-Gye - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    8. Hwa-Rang - Nam Tae Hi
    9. Choong-Moo - Nam Tae Hi
    10. Kwang-Gae - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    11. Po-Eun - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    12. Ge-Baek - Gen Choi & C K Choi
    13. Eui-Am - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    14. Choong-Jang - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    15. Ko Dang - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    15. Juche - Park Jung tae & Choi Jung Hwa/Michael Cormack/Lim Won Sup?
    16. Sam-Il - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    17. Yoo-Sin - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    18. Choi-Yong - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    19. Yong-Gae - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    20. Ul-Ji - Han Cha Kyo - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    21. Moon-Moo - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo
    22. So-San - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo

    23. Se-Jong - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo

    24. Tong-Il - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo


    Obviously I've left General Choi out of the list, assuming he's there.

    Does that follow your understanding TKDStudent?

    Mitch
     
  4. StuartA

    StuartA Guardian of real TKD :-)

    1955 (by Gen. Choi and Nam Tae Hi)
    Hwa-Rang 1956, this was the 1st & it was nam, han & choi
    Choong-Moo 1956 2nd 1 was nam & choi

    1955 (by Gen. Choi and Han Cha Kyo) was 1957
    Ul-Ji

    1961 (by Gen. Choi and C.K. Choi)
    Gae-Baek

    1963 (by Gen. Choi, Woo Jae Lim and Kim Bok Man - I'm not sure about order here)
    Chon-Ji
    Dan-Gun
    Do-San
    Won-Hyo
    Yul-Gok
    Joong-Gun
    Toi-Gye
    Kwang-Gae
    Po-Eun
    Yoo-Sin
    Choong-Jang
    Sam-Il
    Choi-Yong
    Ko-Dang
    Se-Jong
    Tong-Il

    Eui-Am
    Moon-Moo
    Yon-Ge
    So-San

    1988 (by Park Jung Tae) Juche

    -- most of this work credit must go to Dani Stienhoff.. not me. Im sure TKDStudent could round off the rough edges or correct any misnomers. I like the history, but am not a TKD Historian or anything.. what i researched for my book was simply to help set the scene.

    Stuart
     
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  5. StuartA

    StuartA Guardian of real TKD :-)

    Thought Hwa-rang was designed by Han Cha Kyo!!!!!

    Also, other 'could' have had influence.. Park, Jong Soo, Kong, Young Il (has mentioned his involvement regarding them - not sure to what extent), Lee, Byung Moo (a good friend told me had influence)..

    Tis a puzzle i doubt will ever be truely solved sadly!


    Stuart
     
  6. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    It does now. #s 13, 19, 21 & 22 appeared 1st in the 1972 text commonly called the bible of TKD. They were not part of the original 20 & did not appear in the karate like book that came out in 1965
     
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  7. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Mr. Anslow, who is he & how can I read his writings?
     
  8. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Park Jong Soo definately, as he lived in Gen Choi's house for a prolonged time. Sgt Han Cha Kyo was also married into Gen Choi's family. GM Lee Byung Moo also played a vital role in the development. It is safe to say that we can list almost everyone entirely, but the exact specifics of who did what, when & to what extent will never be tied down completely & without error.
    I am aware of GM Kong & do believe he met Gen Choi after most of the patterns were finalized. he may of course had a hand in the last 4, (before Juche), as he was still in SK during some of that time. None the less, his contributions as a world traveler & promoter, famous for his talented demos & challenge matches, which legend has him undefeated are immense. BTW I am the only 1 who ever defeated him in a challenge match
     
  9. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    So, just to update the full list:
    1. Chon-Ji -Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    2. Dan-Gun - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    3. Do-San - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    4. Won-Hyo - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    5. Yul-Gok - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    6. Joong-Gun - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    7. Toi-Gye - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    8. Hwa-Rang - Nam Tae Hi & Han Cha Kyo
    9. Choong-Moo - Nam Tae Hi
    10. Kwang-Gae - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    11. Po-Eun - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    12. Ge-Baek - Gen Choi & C K Choi
    13. Eui-Am - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo
    14. Choong-Jang - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    15. Ko Dang - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    15. Juche - Park Jung tae & Choi Jung Hwa/Michael Cormack/Lim Won Sup?
    16. Sam-Il - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    17. Yoo-Sin - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    18. Choi-Yong - Kim Bok Man & Woo Jae Lim
    19. Yong-Gae - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo
    20. Ul-Ji - Han Cha Kyo
    21. Moon-Moo - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo
    22. So-San - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo
    23. Se-Jong - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo
    24. Tong-Il - JC Kim/Kim Young Soo/Lee Byung Moo/Cho Sang Min/Park Jong Soo

    I'm not quite following some of the points in your correction post TKDStudent, if you have the time to copy and paste list above and simply overtype it with the names of the correct people I'd really appreciate it. :)

    Mitch
     
  10. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Is this clearer now?
     
  11. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Fabulous, thank you :) Sorry for being dense, I've got a horrible cold with a head full of cotton wool.

    Plus I'm not very bright at the best of times!

    Thanks,
    Mitch
     
  12. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    Nice informative thread guys thanks all.
     
  13. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    No problem, the way I remember it is by 4s. I remember the 1st 4 made, HwaRang, ChungMu, UlJi & GaeBaek. Then I remember the final 4, EuiAm, YonGae, MoonMu & SoSan. Then the other 16 were done on Malaysia. See it is easy
     
  14. Ironized

    Ironized Valued Member

    wasn't juche made in north korea?
     
  15. StuartA

    StuartA Guardian of real TKD :-)

    TKDStudent.. Dani's writtings can be found on my book forum. Hes a 1st kup (maybe 1st Dan now) and has a very enquiring mind.

    Stuart
     
  16. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    I believe that much of it was mapped out there by GM Park Jung Tae. However I am not sure where the final seal of approval was stamped on. It could have been in Canada, as both GM Park & Gen Choi were neighbors
     
  17. chrispillertkd

    chrispillertkd Valued Member

    Now that's a story I'd love to hear! :)

    Pax,

    Chris
     
  18. Razgriz

    Razgriz Jeja

    bump, oh TKDStudent we demand the story!

    :)
    Raz
     
  19. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    All I can say is while true, it was in jest........
     
  20. Napitenkah

    Napitenkah Valued Member

    I know all 8 Taequk forms, and am learning Koryo, but I would like to learn the ITF forms, I have started one of them, "Chon-Ji"

    It is pretty simple, but I haven't memorized it yet.

    In ITF sparring they allow hand striking, don't they?
     

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