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  1. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    Hello everyone,
    I am new to this forum, my name is Demain and I have been doing martial arts
    my whole life. I have been lucky to have trained with several of the best masters. I live in las vegas. I have over 350 forms that I train in.
    I want to share my knowledge and also learn from this forum.
    I found out on the street what really works and what doesn't.
    If you would like to get to know me better, please friend me.
    I have trained with --
    Shaolin Grandmaster Sin Kwang The
    Shaolin Master Matt Small
    Shao-lin Master Steven Baugh ( student of Ark Wong )
    Kenpo Master Al Farnsworth (a senior BB under Ed Parker)
    Kenpo BB under Skip Hancock- (a senior BB under Ed Parker) --John Monserrat
    David Masters - has 4 Black Belts & student of David German
    Marvin Beastman Eastman - The king of the cage -- trained 1 time
    Andreas Spang MMA & Boxing -- trained 1 time
    and more...
     
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  2. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Welcome man. So lucky to be living in Vegas! Loads of great places around there for boxing and MMA.

    What does 350 forms mean? :)
     
    Pretty In Pink, Mar 16, 2012
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  3. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    350 forms of martial arts, that's not including all of the self-defense techniques that I know and train in.
    EPS Kenpo system has 161 techniques in it.
    Then there are many different off-shoots that have there own variations of it.
    Then there's the chin-na that has about 600 techniques in it.
    It just gets to big to list. And then you get sick of arguing semantics with different styles. The source is really the same. Principles.
    Yeah, Alot of people just float around from dojo to dojo here.
     
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  4. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Oh, you know over 350 techniques? Fair enough. :)
     
    Pretty In Pink, Mar 16, 2012
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  5. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    No, 350 forms that have many more techniques in them.
    example- tai chi, tiger form, etc.
    example- the chen tai chi form alone has over 600 fighting applications in it.
     
    Demain, Mar 16, 2012
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  6. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Could you list 25 please?
     
    Dean Winchester, Mar 16, 2012
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  7. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    I could PM you, but I don't want to list them here.
     
    Demain, Mar 16, 2012
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  8. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Ok thank you.
     
    Dean Winchester, Mar 16, 2012
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  9. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Great. Let's therefore assume that you spend, say, 4 hours training 5 days a week 50 weeks in a year. That's 1,000 hours of training each year. Far more than sensible, but arguably achievable.

    Now let's look at how many fighting applications you'd "know", and let's assume that each of your forms has only 10 applications in it. 350 forms gives you 3,500 applications, resulting in a total training time of about 17 minutes per year for each application, not including time taken warming up, sparring, conditioning, etc.

    Unless you've found some new way to consolidate your training down into extremely efficient minutes here and there, there's no way you can be said to truly know all of those techniques.

    Do you see why people might be just a little sceptical of claims like this?
     
    Aegis, Mar 16, 2012
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  10. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Why not? This is a martial arts forum after all, and people are interested.
     
    Kuma, Mar 16, 2012
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  11. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    Yes, but I have noticed that some are only interested in bashing/criticizing others?
    I thought this was a thread to welcome people?
    Some forms have more then 10 techniques in them, it is all different amounts.
    I train much longer then that. If you are interested please PM me.
     
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  12. Illonos

    Illonos Black spotted reader.

    It is a thread for welcoming new people to the forum, and it's good to have you with us. But some of us thinks that it's strange that you would state such a bald claim, and then not care to defend it later on. Surely you can see that perspective?
     
    Illonos, Mar 17, 2012
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  13. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    Yes, but that is just judging a book by its cover, and martial arts is not about that.
    As for defending it, I am that is why I am still here, but I am not sure if I want to stay.
    It is only a bald claim, if I was some MMA kid in here posing, but I am not.
    The people that are nice to me will get my information PM to them.
    Why should I share everything that I know with everyone?
     
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  14. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    To be honest viewing MA on a purely "how many techniques I know" basis is rather limited and dare I say basic.
     
    Dean Winchester, Mar 17, 2012
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  15. Demain

    Demain Valued Member

    I agree with you, I never said that I base it on that alone, but at the same time -- having mastered more concepts and techniques, with the ability to apply them in your arsenal means that you have more ways to adapt then your opponent.
     
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  16. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    It also means you have a lot more choices than someone who chooses to use only a few simple but effective techniques. The more choices you have, the more time it takes to make a choice. If you have 20 different choices to defend against an overhand knife attack, by the time you make up your mind you're going to be stabbed. If you only have a few options to respond to an attack, you're going to be able to respond faster.

    Less is more in self protection. I may train all of my traditional basics in class and as an occasional part of my training, but my main focus for sparring and self protection is a fairly limited set of techniques just for this reason. Thinking and acting faster than your opponent is invaluable.
     
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  17. ShadowHawk

    ShadowHawk Valued Member

    I wanna see a 350 form list as well, PM plz
     
    ShadowHawk, Mar 17, 2012
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  18. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Ok, let's assume you train for 8 hours a day 5 days a week instead. That gives you 2,000 hours to play with, and changes the time spent training each application to 34 minutes per year, again assuming that each of your 350 forms has just 10 applications. It gets a lot worse if you assume each has 50, for example, as that gives you a little under 7 minutes per application per year, which is absurd.

    However, this is getting silly, as no-one can reasonably expect to train for 40 hours a week without either watering down the training to the point where it's ineffectual or developing serious health problems. One of the reputed toughest training courses in the world that I can name right now is the Senshusei course offered by the Yoshinkan Aikido Hombu. It's no coincidence that I picked the "4 hours a day, 5 days a week" suggestion, as that's what their brochure states that they train for one year only in order to get the material for black belt learnt. Occasionally they might exceed that, but if you read up on the stories surrounding this level of training, you'll quickly realise just how tough it is.

    Training that hard would leave you pretty much unable to work or socialise, so you can see why I have significant doubts whenever someone claims to be training harder than pretty much anyone else out there.
     
    Aegis, Mar 17, 2012
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  19. Alansmurf

    Alansmurf Aspire to Inspire before you Expire Supporter

    KISS .......
     
    Alansmurf, Mar 17, 2012
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  20. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Probably not worth it mate.

    I didn't get sent a list of "fighting applications".




    Mods please note I'm not actually disclosing the contents of a PM just saying what I didn't get. :cool:
     
    Dean Winchester, Mar 17, 2012
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